gordo
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Post by gordo on Jan 30, 2018 20:46:40 GMT
Seriously, what the hell happened? Did they really just think 5 new models, 2 of which are attachments and one a character beast, was good enough? Did they not think that including the actual original Ogrun caster was a good idea?
Sure, the new rules are all "for the better", and a few under performing models were bumped a bit. But the main faction issues remain and tons more crappy models that were playable in theme weren't even addressed.
If you are on the CiD forums, you can read that basically people are "happy with some of the changes they got" or "wanted more and are disappointed", but NO ONE is defending the pitifully small scope of the CiD. I don't think I really need to argue that point.
What I am curious is what was PP's reasoning? Did they run out of ideas for Blighted Ogrun models? Did they think that Teraphs were working as intended? What happened?
Many people said that PP did not have a clear idea of what they wanted our faction identity to be right after mk3 dropped. Than the big theme drop hit and many more people said the same thing. Now this CiD hit and I can't help but ask the same question. It feels it was done with a "let's get this done as quickly and with as little work as possible so we can move on to other things" attitude. But maybe I'm missing something?
Don't get me wrong, I think there is a pretty good PT list out there. Like, one of them. With a caster that you can swap out for variation but really should probably just be Anamag. So... What gives? Why is this CiD so much smaller in scope and with much less input (or actual changes, for that matter) than the others?
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jan 30, 2018 20:57:25 GMT
Edit: I was being a douche
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Post by mydnight on Jan 30, 2018 21:25:53 GMT
This is one of the longer cids -- three weekends.
Perhaps you should compile some stats about what other factions received in terms of length of cid and number of models.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Jan 30, 2018 21:31:58 GMT
This is one of the longer cids -- three weekends. Perhaps you should compile some stats about what other factions received in terms of length of cid and number of models. Copied from Lanz on the CID forums: Cygnar CID: 8 new models, 11 legacy rebalances. Total: 19 Gators CID: 10 models, 19 legacy rebalances. Total: 29 Trolls CID: 9 new models,21 legacy rebalances. Total: 30 Cryx CID: 12 new models, 8 legacy rebalances. Total: 20 Legion: 5 new models, 11 legacy rebalances. Total: 16 Definitely the smallest CID to date. Went a little longer than most, but fewer new models, and much fewer rebalances than (particularly) the hordes factions that have gotten CIDs thus far. thelat - shitposts like that are even less helpful than the saltiest of salt-filled posts...which this is not. |
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Jan 30, 2018 21:41:30 GMT
Right. I'm genuinely curious if there was a larger plan at work here. Was there a production snafu and models pulled last minute? Did their primary Legion designer suddenly quit? Do they think that CiDs thus far have been too long or too large and this is the new direction they want to take?
I can think of legitimate reasons. I'm wondering if anyone else knows something I don't?
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Jan 30, 2018 21:49:17 GMT
Like I said on the CID forum (and it remains to be seen if we're all going to receive infractions for the recent wave of negativity there), I get the feeling that PP doesn't actually have any real legion advocates in their design staff. The CID (and the theme overall, really) is very uninspired and bland. I don't feel like anyone at PP was really pushing for Legion in this CID, there wasn't a lot of exciting new ideas in the theme list compared to the other faction's CIDs.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jan 30, 2018 21:55:40 GMT
You're right and I'm sorry. |
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Jan 30, 2018 22:02:23 GMT
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Post by mydnight on Jan 30, 2018 22:05:11 GMT
Not to far off from Cygnar, but overall pretty bad in terms of number of new models, which does support the 'not sure what to do with this theme' hypothesis.
Maybe they're losing steam -- the khador CiD will be able to confirm this.
Perhaps they should consider adding a couple of new non-theme models in, but I guess they get worried that everyone will be lobbying for too many models to be included then (e.g. during the 12 factions of christmas). I personally believe they should add a new (noncharacter) beast/jack with every cid just so everyone can bring them regardless of theme.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Jan 30, 2018 22:06:49 GMT
Like I said on the CID forum (and it remains to be seen if we're all going to receive infractions for the recent wave of negativity there), I get the feeling that PP doesn't actually have any real legion advocates in their design staff. The CID (and the theme overall, really) is very uninspired and bland. I don't feel like anyone at PP was really pushing for Legion in this CID, there wasn't a lot of exciting new ideas in the theme list compared to the other faction's CIDs. I kinda expect some infractions, but frankly, good. Better that they know. |
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Post by Lanz on Jan 30, 2018 22:08:34 GMT
Not to far off from Cygnar, but overall pretty bad in terms of number of new models, which does support the 'not sure what to do with this theme' hypothesis. Maybe they're losing steam -- the khador CiD will be able to confirm this. Khador has been on the upswing since Mk3. I won't be at all surprised if their CID is teeming with new ideas and growth. |
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Jan 30, 2018 22:11:49 GMT
Not to far off from Cygnar, but overall pretty bad in terms of number of new models, which does support the 'not sure what to do with this theme' hypothesis. Maybe they're losing steam -- the khador CiD will be able to confirm this. Perhaps they should consider adding a couple of new non-theme models in, but I guess they get worried that everyone will be lobbying for too many models to be included then (e.g. during the 12 factions of christmas). I personally believe they should add a new (noncharacter) beast/jack with every cid just so everyone can bring them regardless of theme. Which is kinda weird, considering how wide open the field was. Ogrun artillery, Ogrun ambushers, Ogrun beast support... But hey, birds! That aren't at all like Grotesques! Honest! |
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Post by mydnight on Jan 30, 2018 22:12:22 GMT
My running hypothesis is that a lot of their effort has been targeted at Crucible, hence Legion and Khador (and PoM if that comes straight after) cids will suffer.
Creating tiny new factions before all the main factions have been 'legacied' is quite irritating.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Jan 30, 2018 22:15:14 GMT
My running hypothesis is that a lot of their effort has been targeted at Crucible, hence Legion and Khador (and PoM if that comes straight after) cids will suffer. Creating tiny new factions before all the main factions have been 'legacied' is quite irritating. But it does make them more money, so... |
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Post by minmaximus on Jan 31, 2018 0:34:46 GMT
Part of me wonders if there'll be other changes that didn't go through CiD included (much like the Coven nerf) when the rules changes go live, or if it was a smaller CiD due to a new faction, or just a new direction they wanted to go for.
Time will tell I suppose, but I wouldn't read into it too much just yet. Coven got nerfed, the Corrupter was dropped to 14 instead of 15, Kharbydis got untested changes, Bloodgorgers got an untested MAT buff and the sea witch saw a CMD nerf. That's just what I could pick out comparing the January update notes to the week 3 Black Fleet rules related to changing existing models. It's premature to assume everything we saw in the CID is all the changes that are going to happen, and that everything will remain as it was in the final week of testing.
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