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Post by oncomingstorm on Jan 31, 2018 1:45:53 GMT
Part of me wonders if there'll be other changes that didn't go through CiD included (much like the Coven nerf) when the rules changes go live, or if it was a smaller CiD due to a new faction, or just a new direction they wanted to go for. Time will tell I suppose, but I wouldn't read into it too much just yet. Coven got nerfed, the Corrupter was dropped to 14 instead of 15, Kharbydis got untested changes, Bloodgorgers got an untested MAT buff and the sea witch saw a CMD nerf. That's just what I could pick out comparing the January update notes to the week 3 Black Fleet rules related to changing existing models. It's premature to assume everything we saw in the CID is all the changes that are going to happen, and that everything will remain as it was in the final week of testing. I think most of the models that were in CID were in a good place at the end of the cycle (still think Chosen are too strong, but that's beside the point). I highly doubt that they'll buff models that weren't in the CID at all, without any external testing. That's how you end up with Una2.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 2:24:47 GMT
and yet, there could have been several other necessary legacy changes. changes that would have been play tested. this has me very close to leaving the game completely.
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Post by zorrobard47 on Jan 31, 2018 2:36:54 GMT
I'm still enjoying Legion and overall I'm happy with the CID. That being said, I was hoping for more to be in the CID: Nephiliem, Lessers, Legionaries, Pot, Catapult, Bethane, Vayl 1 to name a few. Hoping they'll add some more 'quality of life' changes when CID becomes official.
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Post by gobber on Jan 31, 2018 3:26:55 GMT
Khador has been on the upswing since Mk3. I won't be at all surprised if their CID is teeming with new ideas and growth. My running hypothesis is that a lot of their effort has been targeted at Crucible, hence Legion and Khador (and PoM if that comes straight after) cids will suffer. Creating tiny new factions before all the main factions have been 'legacied' is quite irritating. Khador has the benefit of a major plot development in the fluff giving them a huge new area of design space to mine, though I'm not sure it'll be attached to the MOW CID (Wolves of Winter is surely upcoming too). The Greylords Covenant acquired the prototype recipe for the Crucible Guard's warcaster serum (and unlike GC, has ample access to the necessary warcaster blood). We don't know what the results of those experiments will be (I'm guessing something monstrous like Alyce), but it's certainly going to be interesting.
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Post by chillychinaman on Jan 31, 2018 3:37:25 GMT
I mean we got plot stuff too. The Twins basically went rogue. Kallus was sent away to build a new fiefdom for Everblight.
PT really could've used some more solos though. PT lacks a flag sitting solo. A non-character, magic user, or a Hunter-type spear Ogrun.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 3:45:28 GMT
agreed. a solo would have been too easy. or they could have improved the warchief. who doesnt see play, and definitely won't now.
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Post by maximumhippo on Jan 31, 2018 4:44:51 GMT
agreed. a solo would have been too easy. or they could have improved the warchief. who doesnt see play, and definitely won't now. I sent in feed back after both of my playtest sessions and this was my one major hang up. I have no reason to include the warchief in any list. Spell Martyrs are cheaper, ammok is similarly durable, Gorag provides a better buff. The only thing I can think of to have him in for is blood drinker as a pseudo-silence. and even then after years of playing khador and doom reavers, I don't need to have that.
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Post by davycannonhound on Jan 31, 2018 5:26:16 GMT
Well for one Ogrun are a hella small portion of Legion. Had this been the Children of the Dragon CID, we would've see a crap ton of legacy models between the Nyss units along with the Nephilim (probably not Azreal but maybe Zuriel) and the Lessers. Probably not new releases, though.
Had it been the Ravens CID it would have been Grotesques and Striders (possibly some new releases).
Oracles would've been like Hex Hunters and... Vayls? Maybe a handful of heavies?
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Post by Lanz on Jan 31, 2018 6:02:48 GMT
Well for one Ogrun are a hella small portion of Legion. Had this been the Children of the Dragon CID, we would've see a crap ton of legacy models between the Nyss units along with the Nephilim (probably not Azreal but maybe Zuriel) and the Lessers. Probably not new releases, though. Had it been the Ravens CID it would have been Grotesques and Striders (possibly some new releases). Oracles would've been like Hex Hunters and... Vayls? Maybe a handful of heavies? I've said a bunch of times that CoTD was a bad theme to make one of our original 3. If they'd given us something more generic instead, and then released a CoTD CID with some new nyss units tailored for a 'nyss shard' list, it probably would have made an awesome and thematic army.
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Post by newsun on Jan 31, 2018 6:08:36 GMT
Well for one Ogrun are a hella small portion of Legion. Had this been the Children of the Dragon CID, we would've see a crap ton of legacy models between the Nyss units along with the Nephilim (probably not Azreal but maybe Zuriel) and the Lessers. Probably not new releases, though. Had it been the Ravens CID it would have been Grotesques and Striders (possibly some new releases). Oracles would've been like Hex Hunters and... Vayls? Maybe a handful of heavies? I've said a bunch of times that CoTD was a bad theme to make one of our original 3. If they'd given us something more generic instead, and then released a CoTD CID with some new nyss units tailored for a 'nyss shard' list, it probably would have made an awesome and thematic army. Yeah it still feels like CotD is pending some future release.
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Post by althor on Jan 31, 2018 7:07:54 GMT
I use the warchief to reach 60 ogrun points and have another hellmouth for free. Well for 4 points actually, the cost of the warchief 😅
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Post by chillychinaman on Jan 31, 2018 7:18:44 GMT
In this hypothetical CotD CID, are people more interested in Nyss or Nephilim? The theme already has ranged, melee, artillery, magic, and cavalry Nyss. On the Nephilim front, they each have a niche they'e /supposed/ to fill so unless they bring redundant heavy variants, I don't see too #designspace for them.
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Post by slaughtersun on Jan 31, 2018 8:24:33 GMT
Part of me wonders if there'll be other changes that didn't go through CiD included (much like the Coven nerf) when the rules changes go live, or if it was a smaller CiD due to a new faction, or just a new direction they wanted to go for. Time will tell I suppose, but I wouldn't read into it too much just yet. Coven got nerfed, the Corrupter was dropped to 14 instead of 15, Kharbydis got untested changes, Bloodgorgers got an untested MAT buff and the sea witch saw a CMD nerf. That's just what I could pick out comparing the January update notes to the week 3 Black Fleet rules related to changing existing models. It's premature to assume everything we saw in the CID is all the changes that are going to happen, and that everything will remain as it was in the final week of testing. I was thinking this yesterday... that some models may see changes a la Cryx, without going through CiD. Regardless of the CiD results, barring some outliers, I feel that PP has been doing a good job balancing and tuningvthe game so I trust them in their decisions even if at first they may seem strange.
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Post by eauc on Jan 31, 2018 8:45:37 GMT
I was thinking this yesterday... that some models may see changes a la Cryx, without going through CiD. Yes. Hellmouth will get a nerf. ARM16 or Cmd5/RNG1 or spawned tentacle doesn't activate.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jan 31, 2018 9:26:55 GMT
Khador won't have many new things either. We're currently looking at 1 caster, 1 be, 2 large base solos and 2 attachments, zero units, zero jacks.
I think it's more about how particular theme is already explored in faction rather than anything else. Cygnar and Cryx before cid had what, 2 units each with zero existing support for them? Ogruns had their support figured out already. I also don't expect many new things from Exemplar cid, there's so many exemplar models already.
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