Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Feb 1, 2018 9:27:39 GMT
Oh man. I didn't realize the solo is 6 points currently. That's awful. He's still bad at 5 points. He's bad for free. I have the option to not pay for him, and he's still not worth taking. I might take him, for free, if he was literally the only option. To be fair, THAT'S not too unreasonable when your competition for the free-addition slot is Gorag and Hellmouths. I don't think many of ANY of our solos would be taken over those. Maybe Craelix can compete for that with Gorag, but I don't think anything in faction in the 6-point range is worth taking for free over hellmouths.
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Post by maximumhippo on Feb 1, 2018 9:29:07 GMT
That does make more sense. I disagree on the Vet leader point though. with Gorag it is really easy to apply better buff. I don't see it. Gorag's definitely better, but I'd assume he's already in the list or couldn't be because chosen or warspears got higher priority than his attached stuff. I'd make room for Gorag. NQ is so good for the mongers it's stupid. Paralyzing gaze, I need say no more. In the feedback form and my one bat rep that i posted I suggested that Gorag become a solo, and the war chief become the CA. Gorag loses NQ and officer, keeps paralyzing gaze and picks up leadership: Blood drinker. The warcheif picks up NQ and officer, loses vet leader and blood drinker. I'd play that. net loss of 1 mat/rat but totally worth it imo to have NQ on all the units of warmongers.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Feb 1, 2018 9:36:20 GMT
Gorag's definitely better, but I'd assume he's already in the list or couldn't be because chosen or warspears got higher priority than his attached stuff. I'd make room for Gorag. NQ is so good for the mongers it's stupid. Paralyzing gaze, I need say no more. In the feedback form and my one bat rep that i posted I suggested that Gorag become a solo, and the war chief become the CA. Gorag loses NQ and officer, keeps paralyzing gaze and picks up leadership: Blood drinker. The warcheif picks up NQ and officer, loses vet leader and blood drinker. I'd play that. net loss of 1 mat/rat but totally worth it imo to have NQ on all the units of warmongers. This would make the cheif show up more for sure, but I think it would make gorag too auto-include.
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Post by gobber on Feb 1, 2018 9:37:04 GMT
Gorag's definitely better, but I'd assume he's already in the list or couldn't be because chosen or warspears got higher priority than his attached stuff. I'd make room for Gorag. NQ is so good for the mongers it's stupid. Paralyzing gaze, I need say no more. In the feedback form and my one bat rep that i posted I suggested that Gorag become a solo, and the war chief become the CA. Gorag loses NQ and officer, keeps paralyzing gaze and picks up leadership: Blood drinker. The warcheif picks up NQ and officer, loses vet leader and blood drinker. I'd play that. net loss of 1 mat/rat but totally worth it imo to have NQ on all the units of warmongers. If already bringing mongers of course you make room; it's when you're not bringing mongers in favor of chosen, etc, or far more likely when you're running up against Gorag's annoying FA1 It's neat that they all stack and buff each other, and annie doesn't mind mag10 on gallows/hexblasts. With chosen and warspears in neat 20pt blocks, when bringing warmongers filling that last 7pts can't really be done cleanly (assuming you want 2x hellmouth+gorag for free). Warchief+Ammok is a reasonable choice there, competing with 3 unled warmongers or 6 rotwings.
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Post by maximumhippo on Feb 1, 2018 10:52:00 GMT
I'd make room for Gorag. NQ is so good for the mongers it's stupid. Paralyzing gaze, I need say no more. In the feedback form and my one bat rep that i posted I suggested that Gorag become a solo, and the war chief become the CA. Gorag loses NQ and officer, keeps paralyzing gaze and picks up leadership: Blood drinker. The warcheif picks up NQ and officer, loses vet leader and blood drinker. I'd play that. net loss of 1 mat/rat but totally worth it imo to have NQ on all the units of warmongers. This would make the cheif show up more for sure, but I think it would make gorag too auto-include. The only reason he's not already auto-include is he has to have his entourage, and even then it's a hard sell to not include him.
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 1, 2018 18:41:53 GMT
Honestly, I just say make CoTD allow all lights (and change the bonus to be something for all lights and not just nephilim) and probably lose Azreal and Zuriel. And include lesser warbeasts in what can be taken for free. Not to be mean (honestly). But that's just an entire rewrite. It's no longer Children of the dragon. It's "Everything not a heavy" of the Dragon. Explain the difference? The description reads: "agile dragonspawn". I think lights fit that catagory fairly well (while half of the non-character nephilim do not).
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Post by chillychinaman on Feb 1, 2018 19:02:00 GMT
Not to be mean (honestly). But that's just an entire rewrite. It's no longer Children of the dragon. It's "Everything not a heavy" of the Dragon. Explain the difference? The description reads: "agile dragonspawn". I think lights fit that catagory fairly well (while half of the non-character nephilim do not). I think it was supposed to be inferred as, servants of Everblight that have a soul, which means mostly means Nyss and Nephilim. The lessers are only really allowed so that the Beast Mistress could work. On the other hand, I think it would've been an awesome opportunity to change Draconic Consort to allow control of Nephilim. As an aside, are Nephilim sterile? Since their birth seems to require a Nyss mother, I'm inclined to say yes. Even though fluff mentions the Nyss worrying about their obsolescence, Everblight has to keep them around until Nephilim become fertile.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Feb 1, 2018 22:51:35 GMT
The Nephilim are children of the dragon. The other dragonspawn are physical extensions of the dragon.
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 2, 2018 3:53:23 GMT
Explain the difference? The description reads: "agile dragonspawn". I think lights fit that catagory fairly well (while half of the non-character nephilim do not). I think it was supposed to be inferred as, servants of Everblight that have a soul, which means mostly means Nyss and Nephilim. The lessers are only really allowed so that the Beast Mistress could work. On the other hand, I think it would've been an awesome opportunity to change Draconic Consort to allow control of Nephilim. As an aside, are Nephilim sterile? Since their birth seems to require a Nyss mother, I'm inclined to say yes. Even though fluff mentions the Nyss worrying about their obsolescence, Everblight has to keep them around until Nephilim become fertile. So basically Legion isn't allowed all of its essential toys in CotD because they have no souls. Gotcha. The only warlocks I've found success with in CotD are Thagrosh1 (because he can cheat), and Lyllyth2 (because Zuriel loves her and she loves Azreal).
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Post by maximumhippo on Feb 2, 2018 5:14:32 GMT
I think it was supposed to be inferred as, servants of Everblight that have a soul, which means mostly means Nyss and Nephilim. The lessers are only really allowed so that the Beast Mistress could work. On the other hand, I think it would've been an awesome opportunity to change Draconic Consort to allow control of Nephilim. As an aside, are Nephilim sterile? Since their birth seems to require a Nyss mother, I'm inclined to say yes. Even though fluff mentions the Nyss worrying about their obsolescence, Everblight has to keep them around until Nephilim become fertile. So basically Legion isn't allowed all of its essential toys in CotD because they have no souls. Gotcha. The only warlocks I've found success with in CotD are Thagrosh1 (because he can cheat), and Lyllyth2 (because Zuriel loves her and she loves Azreal). Hooray derailing! anyway. This Thags2 list gives my meta fits. They hate playing it because I do dumb shit like kill haley3 with Zuriel's feat attack. Or make it so that they can't ever allocate focus because none of their jacks have cortexes. It's even better now(soon) that Thags2 is better. conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0uaDg_aL2929aReKbbbbfUkabacocobrjxLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Thagrosh 2) Thagrosh, the Messiah [+25] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Shredder [4] - Shredder [4] - Typhon [24] - Zuriel [18] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Craelix, Fang of Everblight [0(6)] Incubus (5) [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Blackfrost Shard [9] Ice Witches [7]
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 2, 2018 6:50:53 GMT
So basically Legion isn't allowed all of its essential toys in CotD because they have no souls. Gotcha. The only warlocks I've found success with in CotD are Thagrosh1 (because he can cheat), and Lyllyth2 (because Zuriel loves her and she loves Azreal). Hooray derailing! anyway. This Thags2 list gives my meta fits. They hate playing it because I do dumb shit like kill haley3 with Zuriel's feat attack. Or make it so that they can't ever allocate focus because none of their jacks have cortexes. It's even better now(soon) that Thags2 is better. conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0uaDg_aL2929aReKbbbbfUkabacocobrjxLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Thagrosh 2) Thagrosh, the Messiah [+25] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Shredder [4] - Shredder [4] - Typhon [24] - Zuriel [18] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Craelix, Fang of Everblight [0(6)] Incubus (5) [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Blackfrost Shard [9] Ice Witches [7] That actually look fairly functional. But again, thats probably mostly because Thags2 is also cheating. I'd say its weird to bring Thags2 in a unit theme, but free points are from warbeasts so that actually works unexpectedly well.
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Post by maximumhippo on Feb 2, 2018 7:23:34 GMT
Okay, yes, technically he's circumventing the system by bringing Typhon along, but that's BS to call it cheating because it's a totally legal list. If i was playing 6p down, then it'd be cheating. That being said, I haven't played into most of the boogey lists with it, but I sort of shit on H3 Gravediggers with it consistently.
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 3, 2018 6:17:17 GMT
Okay, yes, technically he's circumventing the system by bringing Typhon along, but that's BS to call it cheating because it's a totally legal list. If i was playing 6p down, then it'd be cheating. That being said, I haven't played into most of the boogey lists with it, but I sort of shit on H3 Gravediggers with it consistently. I didn't mean cheat literally. I used it for circumventing. I'd like to think he's cheating because Typhon lets him focus on warbeasts more than any other warlock when it comes to CotD. Thats all I meant.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Feb 7, 2018 21:43:07 GMT
24 vs 16.
Nope it was just legion.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Feb 7, 2018 22:42:26 GMT
24 vs 16. Nope it was just legion. yeah, i said the same thing... and then all the apologetics sprung up. We're not allowed to notice discrepancy or be upset.
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