Colossals and Gargantuans: a year into MK3, how are they?

Stormwall and JR are great, noone argued against that. That said, every faction has his fair share of great things.

You play a lot of factions, but do not play Cygnar, and it isn't a case that you are saying that one faction you don't play "has it good".

I'm sure that when people complain that Juggernaught is OP or Denny is stupidly good, or Hellmouth should cost double the points they cost, you have a reasonable point to make to explain why, while being great pieces, into their own faction they are ok as they are since there are drawbacks that people don't notice looking from the outside.

The same happens in Cygnar, you are just blind to them since you look at it from the outside.
Following your same request, seriously play Cygnar for one year and them come here saying that we are spoiled and "get it good" after that.
You'll still think that Stormwall, JR, Squire, ecc... are great pieces (in fact, noone denies it), but you will have a more complete understanding of the faction and see why, while having access to a lot of good tools, those don't push the faction outside the boundaries.

The fact that Cygnar is popular isn't necessarily tied with being powerful. At the beginning of MK2 (before Stormwall) Cygnar had quite a bit of problems, but was still pretty popular... You know, "poster boys" and everything else that gets complained everyday about Cygnar in the fluff? Quite a lot of people like to play a human "good" (at least for what good there can be in Warmahordes) faction.
There are also quite a lot of guys that have blue as favorite color (I would probably have played Menoth if it was a cream-blue faction instead of cream-red).


On the Charger and Naga.. You say that you would like to not be forced to take it in every list, but it's the same thing for JR+Charger. While Charger is a great piece, I sometime would like to not be forced to include it in every list. Maybe I need points for something else, and spending 52 points on Stormwall + AS + Charger limits my list too much to be able to buy that, or maybe I would like the Charger, but I have a caster that gives tons of bonuses to his BG (Caine3, Sloan, Kraye, Darius, etc...) so spending the same points to get a model that doesn't synergy with the caster as opposed to taking it in BG is not ideal.

Sure, every JR works like that, but let's be honest, other JRs don't care at all since they are there specifically to run their own mini-BG, while JR is there mainly to be a support piece (AS on a stick).
It's like if to take a Shepherd you had to also bring a beast outside BG that doesn't get caster bonuses. Maybe the beast itself is still great, but you are forced to play it even in list that would prefer something else and the beast doesn't get the bonus it would have been allowed if it was taken on the caster (first of all using the caster points. Starting an infantry list knowing that you are going to spend at least 40 points on jacks, since the caster has also to take his own jacks, just to have AS isn't ideal).

That without considering that sure, AS is great, but there are factions that get good ARM already on the models themselves. Being forced to pay to get a model ARM from mediocre to Extremely good, while the rest of your models remain with mediocre ARM because they are balanced with the possibility that AS gets on them isn't always great.


That is not to complain. Stormwall is one of the most functional Gargossal, JR is great, etc... But, as with every other great pieces in other factions, the faction as a whole gets balanced around the great pieces to avoid to put anything over the top, so complaining just because other factions have their share of good models hasn't much sense, and doing so calling them "spoiled" is the best way to get an harsh and defensive response instead of a constructive one.