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Post by paradox on Sept 5, 2018 2:07:08 GMT
Id be happy with: +1 STR and ARM on feral +1 MAT on stalker +1 MAT and STR on pureblood +1 MAT and STR on Ghetorix Doesnt fox everything, but puts warpwolves in a good place.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 5, 2018 2:22:06 GMT
TBH the problem with SM is that its wolves of winter but without doom reavers.
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Post by bloodhawk on Sept 5, 2018 3:16:42 GMT
Id be happy with: +1 STR and ARM on feral +1 MAT on stalker +1 MAT and STR on pureblood +1 MAT and STR on Ghetorix Doesnt fox everything, but puts warpwolves in a good place. These would be great changes. You either have to change offensive stats to allow for better attrition, or you change defensive stats to allow warwolves to take more than a couple hits. The most recent LOS battle rep by Jaden was pretty telling IMO.
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 5, 2018 3:23:02 GMT
TBH the problem with SM is that its wolves of winter but without doom reavers. That doesn't even begin to describe the problems with SM. Many of the problems with SM are the same problems that Sons of the Tempest had until it got a mini CID along with the trenchers. Then tack on some problems that are also circle specific.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 5, 2018 3:54:52 GMT
TBH the problem with SM is that its wolves of winter but without doom reavers. That doesn't even begin to describe the problems with SM. Many of the problems with SM are the same problems that Sons of the Tempest had until it got a mini CID along with the trenchers. Then tack on some problems that are also circle specific. wolves of winter is also bad...just slightly less bad cause doom reavers
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Post by redcathal on Sept 5, 2018 9:36:48 GMT
Id be happy with: +1 STR and ARM on feral +1 MAT on stalker +1 MAT and STR on pureblood +1 MAT and STR on Ghetorix Doesnt fox everything, but puts warpwolves in a good place. These would be great changes. You either have to change offensive stats to allow for better attrition, or you change defensive stats to allow warwolves to take more than a couple hits. The most recent LOS battle rep by Jaden was pretty telling IMO. Yeah that was depressing/eye opening without a damage buff they're glass cannons without the cannon and that rules out some cool options like Kromac1
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 5, 2018 13:48:58 GMT
Sooo lets look at this objectively.
You want elite MAT on all the warp wolves that just got cheaper Garganutuan level STR values (when warping STR as you will do) all on pathfinder speed 6 beasts with access to primal and hunter's mark
I'm going to have to go with "No". That is probably the most tame suggestion I've seen so far and it's still ridiculously outlandish.Yet you think even ALL that doesn't "fix" Warpwolves?! What game are you guys playing?
"But mauler, and rage, and things not in my faction" With primal and warp str the Feral already hits harder than the Mauler and more accurately. "But I loose the beast's next turn" IF it survives. The Mauler nor Feral are designed to be tanks. That role belongs to clam jacks and few colossal. A dead beast doesn't frenzy.
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Post by newangel on Sept 5, 2018 14:16:14 GMT
Sooo lets look at this objectively. You want elite MAT on all the warp wolves that just got cheaper Garganutuan level STR values (when warping STR as you will do) all on pathfinder speed 6 beasts with access to primal and hunter's mark I'm going to have to go with "No". That is probably the most tame suggestion I've seen so far and it's still ridiculously outlandish.Yet you think even ALL that doesn't "fix" Warpwolves?! What game are you guys playing? "But mauler, and rage, and things not in my faction" With primal and warp str the Feral already hits harder than the Mauler and more accurately. "But I loose the beast's next turn" IF it survives. The Mauler nor Feral are designed to be tanks. That role belongs to clam jacks and few colossal. A dead beast doesn't frenzy. No need to come in and start raining on other people's parade. CID is there to fix things and make changes to models that are under-performing. With the current week 1 changes Warpwolves certainly got better, but as it stands they still won't see play. Bones is far and away the superior choice.
And speaking of Elite MAT, what would you expect from a 16/17 point heavy? Your 12 point Neraph is also MAT 7 and takes buffs extremely well. Had you noticed no-one is complaining about our (currently) 11 and 12 point goats despite being MAT6? Probably because they have a role and can take buffs while performing a decent function on the table.
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Post by snoozer on Sept 5, 2018 15:25:26 GMT
As I said on other Threads here, it seems that people like bones too much. The complaint so far: "Bones is the only viable Theme". But I really feel like nobody really wants to play anything else. Sure better stats are better, but this is not objectively looking at the game period.
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Post by jisidro on Sept 5, 2018 15:33:14 GMT
As I said on other Threads here, it seems that people like bones too much. The complaint so far: "Bones is the only viable Theme". But I really feel like nobody really wants to play anything else. Sure better stats are better, but this is not objectively looking at the game period. What are you saying? I don't get your point.
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Post by snoozer on Sept 5, 2018 16:05:01 GMT
As I said on other Threads here, it seems that people like bones too much. The complaint so far: "Bones is the only viable Theme". But I really feel like nobody really wants to play anything else. Sure better stats are better, but this is not objectively looking at the game period. What are you saying? I don't get your point. Everybody first complained that all they can play is Bones. Now they don't want to get out of their comfort zone because Tharn and Call of the wild are "not good enough". I find the latter questionable and agree with @forever_Blight regarding the objectivity of complains.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 5, 2018 16:17:17 GMT
No need to come in and start raining on other people's parade. CID is there to fix things and make changes to models that are under-performing. With the current week 1 changes Warpwolves certainly got better, but as it stands they still won't see play. Bones is far and away the superior choice.
And speaking of Elite MAT, what would you expect from a 16/17 point heavy? Your 12 point Neraph is also MAT 7 and takes buffs extremely well. Had you noticed no-one is complaining about our (currently) 11 and 12 point goats despite being MAT6? Probably because they have a role and can take buffs while performing a decent function on the table.
I'm not here to rain on a parade. I'm here to logically address irrational wish-listing
What do I expect from a 16-18 point heavy? MAT 6! Ravagore, Carnivean, and Scythean are all MAT 6 or less. Mauler is Mat 6. Gladiator and Sentry are Mat 6. Dracodile, Wrastler, Swamp horror, and Snapjaw are ALL Mat 6.
The Neraph is a goat equivalent; yes. That's why it has 24 (or is it 26) HP, Fury 3, ARM 16, and 12 points. Judo goat can leap into back arcs. Gnarlhorn is a slam bot with really good beater P+S now.
Warpwolves do NOT need to be Mat7 STR 14 to have a spot in the faction.
[Edit] Week 2 just posted and the Stalker got a point of STR. I do not agree with it as now Ghetorix is an over costed character that doesn't hit any harder than the Stalker does. We've now started the pendulum and I can't imagine things don't swing back the other way and now Gehtorix "needs" more damage to compensate. Then it's all down hill from there.
But hey, You wanted STR right? This is what you wanted right? [/sarcasm] PP is so freaking random >.>
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 5, 2018 16:48:36 GMT
Everblight just because legion got screwed doesn't mean we should accept the same thing in Circle.
The carni chassis should absolutely be a MAT7 chassis except the ravagore who is a ranged warbeast. Similarly the stalker should be MAT 7 but not the pureblood.
For everybody else we need to seriously apply some battle report pressure on the raptor to get ROF 2. This reload thing has to go.
Also Brennos. Are people really actually happy with him? I keep reading reports where people say he was an okay beater thus he's fine but that's not his role. He's supposed to be a support beast and his support abilities are crap. I really think we can do better with this guy and I would hate to see him guard the shelf for the rest of this edition ... again.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 5, 2018 16:53:27 GMT
Everblight just because legion got screwed doesn't mean we should accept the same thing in Circle. Let's make this emotional and more irrational. Just what we need!
This is a game about plastic army men. No one is here to take away your toys. Lighten up.
Also; Legion is wiping the floor with other factions that didn't get "screwed" so what does that say about the rest of the game?
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 5, 2018 17:02:44 GMT
Okay ... nope not going there with you again.
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