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Post by wolfchild on Dec 28, 2017 23:33:38 GMT
macdaddy I think maybe I need to learn to not get hung up on ugly models. I have a Gorax and a razorwing (proxy option for Scarsfell#2), but a Gorax is still hideous and I’m already proxying wolfriders champ as Kaya3 (cos it’s not gonna get used as anything else). jisidro Thanks, I’d been running a Kaya3 CoW list for my last 5 games, but as u say, if I want to use Loki or sentries I need to lose theme and therefor freebies. I had forgotten about higher beast count for getting Synergy up in CoW. I think getting enough beasts will compromise everything else this list can do. Maybe Kaya3 isn’t the best caster for it..... perhaps I’ll revert back to my ol fav Kromac1, or try Kreuger2 for a change (my only 2 casters I actually own models for. I don’t include Kaya1, cos well, why would you).
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 28, 2017 15:23:07 GMT
Ok, so I bought Loki and Sentry Stones and now really wanna put them on the table, (but as I don’t own Tanith, have any table time with her, no reeves either) so I need to go out of theme.
Here’s what I wanna try:
Kaya the Wildheart - Feral Warpwolf - Loki - Pureblood Warpwolf - Warpwolf Stalker - Scarsfell Griffon
Blackclad Wayfarer Blackclad Wayfarer
Sentry Stone & Mannikins Sentry Stone & Mannikins Shifting Stones
Please let me know what u think it’s strengths and weaknesses will be.
Any obvious pit falls and suggestions for improvement greatly appreciated too.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 28, 2017 15:06:45 GMT
So Tharn theme then ....... it seems everyone keeps getting distracted by a beast tangent on this one.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 28, 2017 15:02:19 GMT
No chance for me. A wold wight for a player who doesn’t have any wolds is kind of a waste of time n money. Really hoping the next CID to affect Circle gives us something worthwhile. Should have bought into the wolds bro! That Bones CiD was really good to us! A wight or 2 makes for a good shield Guard in the Wild hunt and secret masters themes. I can’t bring myself to use the ugly wold models. The current Megalith, is the only one Im kinda ok with. Bones and large parts of Circle are lost to me as such.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 27, 2017 23:09:46 GMT
No chance for me. A wold wight for a player who doesn’t have any wolds is kind of a waste of time n money. Really hoping the next CID to affect Circle gives us something worthwhile.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 24, 2017 0:33:34 GMT
I can’t see any infernal presence on any of the Hunter vs Prowl threads from last few years, however it’s been consistent responses from ‘destroyer of worlds’ posters, that Prowl keeps stealth, even if Hunter is ignoring Concealment, so I’ll run w that.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 19, 2017 11:51:29 GMT
Factoring in a boost to hit, or the fact these jacks usually have 2 melee weapons means your primary damage per hit (with hit ratio factored) isn’t going to be the same multiplier for the rest of that jack’s attacks. Eg. A jack w a POW 14 and a POW 18 weapon is going to have lower damage output on average over initials than its bought attacks, as it will only use POW 18 on bought attacks. Also, as has been noted by others, shifting from a 7s to hit on 2d to 7s on 3d massively shifts the odds compared to 6s on 2d to 6s on 3d, because of the skew on the bell curve. A player WILL boost to make sure they hit rather than just keep rolling. There variables are almost too massive to compare without a huge algorithm. The model must take into account when it’s better to boost damage too. If a jack/beast IS ‘pillowfisted’, then it will likely need to boost damage over bought attacks, but you’d hope it could hit more reliably.
I doubt anyone without use of a computer and a host of algorithms to calculate all the jacks and beasts’ potentials can truly establish a factor for raw ability to cause damage in game. Is that what u truly mean when ur trying to quantify pillow-fisted”?
Maybe u need to revise what you’re defining as “pillow-fisted”. Literal ‘pillow-fisted’ conjures an image of a boxer wearing the padded gloves. Suggesting the boxer would hit much harder they u took the gloves off. The accuracy of the boxer is not reduced noticeably, yet his/her damage output is artificially reduced. Using that definition, none of our jacks / beasts are pillow-fisted unless they have a debuff spell or effect on them.
Sorry semantics ......
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 15, 2017 16:08:26 GMT
Mini feat on his cleansers threats something like 16” so I can’t get to theme more than 1 spray b4 they toast me.
Daughters threat 10.5” but w 2 attacks, acrobatics, high def and parry, anatomical precision cancels tough too, so I can’t jam them or take them out reliably.
Vengers threat 13”, w all their crazy bonuses, but only get Pathfinder if I hurt one/more. So it seems as long as I can tempt them in close enough but blocked from their alpha, then I actually have a better chance vs that part .... that’s not considering his jacks.
I think I need to resign myself to a loss against Kreoss3. Just challenge for whatever I can get and hope for an assassination or a really skewed dice dynamic.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 12, 2017 18:45:58 GMT
Thanks folks, good useful advice there. It seems I need to drop at least £30+ and possibly change my core collection, or just accept it’s always gonna be a tough/unbeatable match up.
He hasn’t used Rhupert yet but I’m sure he will if I start dropping Rifts etc in his path. He’s never used idrians either. It’s usually kreoss3, daughters of the flame, flame guard cleansers, vengers, choir, vassal, usually at least 1 character jack n others to fill up numbers. I do have one max option of blood trackers, bloodweavers, wolfriders and the pointless champion, so I can pick up some warpath triggers off his troops and do a bit of jamming. Problem of 1 of each being I have to deploy 2nd to face off the right units, also most of the girls are small bases, so easy trample targets for vengers and soft targets for his sprays too.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 12, 2017 17:05:15 GMT
Thanks folks, I think now I’ve had a chat w the big community it’s time to have that chat w my very much smaller one. It’s always worth asking for a wider perspective before making decisions that could have major impacts (salutes Major Impact), so I really appreciate ur responses. I doubt my group will ever play enough games to accurately judge what’s good into what, we only get 1 game/wk and all play other systems too. I might offer 2 lists for my opponent to choose to face. I’ve been winning recently so hopefully it’ll mix it up a wee bit.
In the UK it seems we have a bit more of a mix of venues; (F)LGS, home games, pubs, church/community halls, etc... I like the pubs cos it keeps the kids away and removes the temptation to buy all the time/guilt of not buying. But home games have to be my favourite venue; comfort, free and I know I have a good mix of decent terrain available, unlike a lot of stores (whose terrain quickly looks worse for wear and can be limited).
@blagaliscious I get almost all my victories via assassination, but if there’s no scenario then the game takes on a very bland form, it makes it about something more. And the reason the SR scenarios are so much better is that u can score points quick enough to make a scenario win viable yet still challenging AND it makes players take a mixed list or be heavily compromised. That’s gotta be better for the game.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 12, 2017 9:23:52 GMT
I keep reading FLGS and LGS, is that an US thing? I’ve not come across the term in the UK.
I think for my group we’ll have to agree a ‘local’ set up somewhere mid-point between the 2 extremes of play, or decide on a game by game basis. One thing is a given though, unless it’s a demo then there will ALWAYS be a scenario.
I say local, there’s at least 6 gaming groups within 40 miles of me, but to get WM/H and avoid the unflinching hardcore tournament types I have to drive a weekly 72 mile round trip to a group in a pub function room. The things we do to get game.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 12, 2017 1:31:37 GMT
One of the really nasty match ups that I recall from the start of Mk3 was pony kreoss and the vengers with all their stacked bonuses meaning 13” threat of very reliable (true and soft boosts plus weapon master) high POW, high ARM.
Does anyone have a viable shut down for the Vengers or way to kill them?
I have no wolds and casters are Kromac1, Kreuger2, Kaya1+3. Only themes I can run from models owned are Dev Host or Call.
Please share whatever advice u can.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 12, 2017 1:24:41 GMT
My meta doesn’t really play often enough to accurately judge what we can do with a list or how it will likely fair against a ‘faction:warlock:theme’ list. If we could be more confident (I’m guessing mostly thru experience) of what to expect from a list I’d be more confident doing the 2-list discussion n drop. It doesn’t help that a few of us have serious confidence/self esteem issues and as a result can look at our own very strong list and see nothing but weaknesses.... this too can make perceived fairness challenging to achieve at best.
We had run death clock in the past and will probably return to it once were more familiar with Mk3 rules/cards. I’m afraid I am one of those painful deliberators that struggles to make decisions. The clock may help me and my opponents’ enjoyment in the long run.
We run SR scenarios generally as so many of the book ones essentially leave us playing assassination every time. The ST packet provides more ‘live’ scenarios where a scenario win is actually possible and forces a mix of models in a force. When Mk3 first came out the Hordes players in our group almost universally wept in the face of jack spam from power up and stat improvements on Warmachine forces. SR has brought back some balance and new skews that have more variety. It’s the only reason a few of us bothered to play again.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 12, 2017 0:41:08 GMT
I dearly hope ur right. Still my meta has a high proportion of Legion so it doesn’t make too much difference, good to know nonetheless
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 10, 2017 1:06:12 GMT
Was this ever confirmed? I use Circle, so not losing stealth despite my enemy ignoring concealment would be huge.
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