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Post by The Snark Knight on Jan 15, 2018 19:14:45 GMT
That's a lot of Harkevich. I'm interested to see how he does. Also, there's what appears to be a sort Kozlov Devastator spam list... That list confuses the hell out of me and I want to try it real bad.
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Jan 15, 2018 20:23:26 GMT
So, is it possible that not all data was reported? According to the site, there were 5 rounds, so when adding up wins and losses per faction this should give all games played for that faction, which should be divisible by 5, but it's not. It would be possible to write this off due to drops or reserves jumping in, but it wouldn't explain why literally only a single faction adds up to be divisible by 5, Cryx. In fact the total number of games adds up to 738, which divided by 31 teams and 5 rounds suggests that each team only played 4.76 games per round. Are we missing data? Did multiple teams just vanish at some point? I believe byes and mirror matches weren't counted.
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Post by killroundears on Jan 16, 2018 7:16:06 GMT
I’m hoping we’ll get to see some breakdowns for W/L by caster. This i am excited to see. Also if anyone is really wasting time breaking down stats one other stat i'd be interested to see if a W/L by faction match up. Seeing which factions dumpster which other factions would be fascinating
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Jan 16, 2018 7:54:35 GMT
Is there a CSV export we can get our hands on to parse? I did trolls by hand but I'd love to see a full breakdown but am too lazy to do everything.
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zich
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Post by zich on Jan 16, 2018 16:03:32 GMT
What baffles me the most is that noone played Rahn, he is an excellent caster. Well it was the ATC, they are about 6 months behind MS Lormahordes, bracing for shitstorm.
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jan 16, 2018 19:53:33 GMT
I can't talk about it with great precision, but there were at least a couple teams who lost a player or 2 before the 5th round. My team had to pair off early and start a game immediately after round 4 to accommodate someone who had to leave early.
Also it would be interesting to look at the relative difficulty of opposition faced by different factions. My Ret player who went 0/5 had one of the statistically hardest days, especially considering we were in the low end of brackets.
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SeBM
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Post by SeBM on Jan 16, 2018 20:16:37 GMT
Ret is in a tough spot. Themes aren't great and denying the Alpha basically breaks the Retribution player's plan.
Doesn't mean you can't win with Ret. It just means that being the last faction to receive a wave of models pre-CID left us in a pretty bad spot considering most factions have been moving up while we have been stuck in the same spot for a long time now.
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jan 16, 2018 23:01:43 GMT
As I reviewed my teams matches while doing my write up in the Skorne forum I noticed that every Ret list that dropped into us lost and our Ret player went 0-5. Ouch, though I feel their pain. I'd guess Skorne is backed up into 2019 to receive any new releases or CiD because of the Great Skorne Errata.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Jan 16, 2018 23:19:15 GMT
I do have to say this.
This is a team event where people are more able to tailor their lists for certain match ups to take as much advantage of the pairing system in place. These lists become skewed in how they play and who they are actually good against. If you are comparing this to your personal meta or some of the other non-team events out there, then it's not the best comparison. Comparing to the WTC or past ATCs is the best comparison out there.
I say this because in my meta, we have some excellent Ret players who place very well in our tournaments and even win occasionally. They have answers and synergy, you just have to look at it in different ways. They also tend to not play the big casters as often around here so that skews things even more in my meta.
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jan 16, 2018 23:33:47 GMT
Maybe that was true in the upper levels of play, but I didn't really experience anything like that. The lists were pretty normal. If anything you had a couple people take 2 different kinds of arm skew or whathaveyou instead of different types of lists. Our first round was into one of the top placers and their lists didn't seem too out of hand either.
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Post by sludgeogre on Jan 16, 2018 23:36:53 GMT
I do have to say this. This is a team event where people are more able to tailor their lists for certain match ups to take as much advantage of the pairing system in place. These lists become skewed in how they play and who they are actually good against. If you are comparing this to your personal meta or some of the other non-team events out there, then it's not the best comparison. Comparing to the WTC or past ATCs is the best comparison out there. I say this because in my meta, we have some excellent Ret players who place very well in our tournaments and even win occasionally. They have answers and synergy, you just have to look at it in different ways. They also tend to not play the big casters as often around here so that skews things even more in my meta. I think this is accurate. It's easy to just place the Ret player into something that screws them in the team format and this particular group of lists was a real shark tank with tons of very aggressive lists that I don't think Ret really likes seeing. I still think they could use some help with themes, though, as it feels like most of their tech just can't be used because of how closed-off their themes are.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Jan 16, 2018 23:44:35 GMT
I do have to say this. This is a team event where people are more able to tailor their lists for certain match ups to take as much advantage of the pairing system in place. These lists become skewed in how they play and who they are actually good against. If you are comparing this to your personal meta or some of the other non-team events out there, then it's not the best comparison. Comparing to the WTC or past ATCs is the best comparison out there. I say this because in my meta, we have some excellent Ret players who place very well in our tournaments and even win occasionally. They have answers and synergy, you just have to look at it in different ways. They also tend to not play the big casters as often around here so that skews things even more in my meta. I think this is accurate. It's easy to just place the Ret player into something that screws them in the team format and this particular group of lists was a real shark tank with tons of very aggressive lists that I don't think Ret really likes seeing. I still think they could use some help with themes, though, as it feels like most of their tech just can't be used because of how closed-off their themes are. So many times in list creation im like "man X would be awesome in this list, oh... right... that's not allowed in this theme"
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jan 17, 2018 0:06:59 GMT
Ret does need a Vyre Jack theme in the worst way.
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Post by Treebeard on Jan 17, 2018 0:13:05 GMT
Does anyone know the top 4 winning players and army lists?
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Post by sludgeogre on Jan 17, 2018 0:26:11 GMT
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