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Post by flamigant on Jan 15, 2018 9:46:33 GMT
Can some math wizzkid please make an in depth analysis of the results and matchups? Would be interesting to know!
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 15, 2018 9:56:16 GMT
Wow! they should be called Rekt-tribution!
On a serious note I think that Ret suffer from the fact they were originally never designed to work exclusively in themes, a lot of their strength came from the fact you could take thematically different units that synergised well together. E.g an Artificer providing a bubble of blast immunity for squishy Strike Force, or Battle Mages pulling things closer for hard hitting Sentinels to charge, theme forces have basically gutted all those synergies for Ret in particular, and they have suffered as a result
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jan 15, 2018 13:13:56 GMT
These numbers reflect the incorporeal&more infantry meta. For example Trolls and Menoth always had low numbers, but now suddenly are above 50% because they're good at dealing with those.
Khador did badly in this meta at WTC, but improved a lot because of doomie theme release.
I'm surprised CoC aka double TEP the faction isn't higher.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 15, 2018 14:59:53 GMT
So, is it possible that not all data was reported? According to the site, there were 5 rounds, so when adding up wins and losses per faction this should give all games played for that faction, which should be divisible by 5, but it's not. It would be possible to write this off due to drops or reserves jumping in, but it wouldn't explain why literally only a single faction adds up to be divisible by 5, Cryx. In fact the total number of games adds up to 738, which divided by 31 teams and 5 rounds suggests that each team only played 4.76 games per round.
Are we missing data? Did multiple teams just vanish at some point?
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Post by whydak on Jan 15, 2018 15:15:01 GMT
So, is it possible that not all data was reported? According to the site, there were 5 rounds, so when adding up wins and losses per faction this should give all games played for that faction, which should be divisible by 5, but it's not. It would be possible to write this off due to drops or reserves jumping in, but it wouldn't explain why literally only a single faction adds up to be divisible by 5, Cryx. In fact the total number of games adds up to 738, which divided by 31 teams and 5 rounds suggests that each team only played 4.76 games per round. Are we missing data? Did multiple teams just vanish at some point? I think mirror matches were not counted in faction win ratio.
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Post by flamigant on Jan 15, 2018 15:15:31 GMT
It seems a team dropped out after round 3?
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Post by Deller on Jan 15, 2018 15:19:18 GMT
It seems a team dropped out after round 3? That shouldn’t really effect anything considering there was a bye in the first 3 rounds.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 15, 2018 15:24:40 GMT
I think mirror matches were not counted in faction win ratio. I don't think that's it, there's a column specifically for Mirrors. I would assume those are rolled into the wins/losses, but even if we assume not, adding them only makes Khador, Trolls and Skorne add up.
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Post by macdaddy on Jan 15, 2018 15:54:34 GMT
Remember these are all pre-cryx nerfs so I think that plays a lot into what we see here.
Really surprised about Ret. I’m just not getting what’s going on there.
Grymkin wins are probly mostly dreamer. She’s really the only problem caster and she is gross at high level play.
Protectorate doesn’t really surprise me, it’s about time people figured things out. They are a strong faction.
Really the only big outliers right now are cryx and Grymkin.sibce cryx still has the Denny 1 GF silliness and coven is a thing I think that explains why that’s so high. Grymkin as I said earlier is mostly dreamer wins I’m asduming.
Legion and Ret are pretty low, with Minions and CoC coming in just above them. Legion isn’t surprising because they are really monobuild, but Ret is really making me scratch my head.
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Post by leotherat on Jan 15, 2018 16:12:32 GMT
I won't presume to speak for the players but a team that I know had its Grymkin player go 5-0 and their Ret player went 4-1 as their top 2 players. I don't have any details of the games played but I would think that a 4-1 record would put the "Ret is dead" automatic claim to rest.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 15, 2018 16:16:58 GMT
I won't presume to speak for the players but a team that I know had its Grymkin player go 5-0 and their Ret player went 4-1 as their top 2 players. I don't have any details of the games played but I would think that a 4-1 record would put the "Ret is dead" automatic claim to rest. Just because one player did well with Ret does not mean the 22% overall is not indicative of Ret being in a bad spot overall
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Post by flamigant on Jan 15, 2018 16:19:40 GMT
What baffles me the most is that noone played Rahn, he is an excellent caster.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 15, 2018 16:22:10 GMT
What baffles me the most is that noone played Rahn, he is an excellent caster. Well it was the ATC, they are about 6 months behind
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Post by leotherat on Jan 15, 2018 16:26:27 GMT
Just because one player did well with Ret does not mean the 22% overall is not indicative of Ret being in a bad spot overall I agree that outliers can happen. I'm merely pointing out that you just can't dismiss Ret out of hand at a competitive setting . While you don't have to plan for Ret (and other than boost,shoot, go! who did?) they still can bring it to you.
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Post by Grimolf on Jan 15, 2018 17:29:43 GMT
I’m hoping we’ll get to see some breakdowns for W/L by caster.
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