thelat
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Cid
Jan 10, 2018 22:42:50 GMT
Post by thelat on Jan 10, 2018 22:42:50 GMT
Refuge is finally back in Legion!
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Cid
Jan 10, 2018 23:01:34 GMT
Post by chillychinaman on Jan 10, 2018 23:01:34 GMT
I just ran some rough test on the durability of Chosen vs the next toughest cavalry, Khadoran Uhlans. With their Wall of Steal ability they sit a +1/+2 compared to Chosen.
Against heavy grade shooting, the results were similar with Chosen edging out Uhlans.
However, against typical infantry charge attacks, the extra boxes + healing allowed a whole extra attack, which, considering it already takes multiple attacks to down cavalry, will add up when facing enemy units.
They will probably be nerfed in the coming weeks. I hope they drop Rapid healing rather than the extra boxes since taken individually, since it only really protects from the weakest of attacks and in most cases will not effect the outcome of a model's survival.
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 1:41:24 GMT
Post by Cryptix on Jan 11, 2018 1:41:24 GMT
I'm a little scared that Anamag is a bit too strong and she'll restrict design space in the rest of legion. Having a +4 damage swing in multiple places at once is just, whew. She might even make CotD slightly more competitive.
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Jan 11, 2018 2:02:45 GMT
Post by gobber on Jan 11, 2018 2:02:45 GMT
I'm a little scared that Anamag is a bit too strong and she'll restrict design space in the rest of legion. Having a +4 damage swing in multiple places at once is just, whew. She might even make CotD slightly more competitive. The developer's notes mention Anamag not being a melee caster... However, assuming: - Blightbringer Aura
- Dark Shroud
- Fury's Strength cast on Anamag via ritual sacrifice
She'll average 67.5 damage into an arcane shielded stormwall. 51.5 if she can't get the free fury's strength or doesn't have feat available.
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 2:03:57 GMT
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Post by redbaron89 on Jan 11, 2018 2:03:57 GMT
Anamag seems very strong. Mat fixer. +4 damage swing. Arm buff. And threat extender on a fury 7 caster. Sign me up!
Ritual sacrifice might put her a bit over the top.
16 point ravagores. Seems legit. Abby 1 looks useable now.
Kinda scratching my head on thags 2. Why nerf the feat. Hes now def worse than abby 2.
Blighted rotwings look like a steaming pile.
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 2:11:30 GMT
Post by Cryptix on Jan 11, 2018 2:11:30 GMT
Blighted rotwings look like a steaming pile. Can you tell me why you thin that? They seem pretty much identical to Carrion thralls, just costing 2 more points and lacking CMA but have a 2 higher pow and essentially +1 MAT.
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 2:28:53 GMT
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Post by redbaron89 on Jan 11, 2018 2:28:53 GMT
Rotwings:
Pros: Speed 7 Flying Finisher Dirt cheap (raiders)
Cons: Victim stats (def 13 and dies if a wet paper bag is thrown at them.) .5 melee Mat 5 and maybe 6 if base to base 10.5 threat Pow 9 even with finisher struggles to crack arm 19 No stealth, prowl, multi attacks, overtake Asthetics (guess blighted turkey vultures are now a thing....love golab though.)
What exactly are they supposed to do besides run up and die, speed bump, or hunt swamp gobbers.
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 2:46:02 GMT
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Post by gobber on Jan 11, 2018 2:46:02 GMT
Rotwings: Pow 9 even with finisher struggles to crack arm 19 Only if they're not charging? 4 avg damage per charge is a bit better than "struggles" and the spikes can really hurt things
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 2:46:56 GMT
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Post by albertairish on Jan 11, 2018 2:46:56 GMT
Blighted rotwings look like a steaming pile. Can you tell me why you thin that? They seem pretty much identical to Carrion thralls, just costing 2 more points and lacking CMA but have a 2 higher pow and essentially +1 MAT. Well, yes, but Carrion Thralls are garbage too. Taken exactly zero times at the upcoming ATC.
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 2:55:06 GMT
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Post by redbaron89 on Jan 11, 2018 2:55:06 GMT
Wanna try this out! Abby 2 Ravagores is back!
Abby 2 wb 28 oracles Archangel 37 Ravagorex4 64 Shepherdx2 2 Forsakenx2 free Sorceress free
Arm 21 archangel with possibly 4 pow 16 continuous fire shots. Pow 17 ravagores yes please. 4 4 inch scathers. Pow 10 blast across the board. Not a huge fan of gargs but its always nice to see them on table. Maybe cid will change that.... Wishful thinking: Archangel should get carapace at 37 points!
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 4:52:48 GMT
Post by Cryptix on Jan 11, 2018 4:52:48 GMT
Can you tell me why you thin that? They seem pretty much identical to Carrion thralls, just costing 2 more points and lacking CMA but have a 2 higher pow and essentially +1 MAT. Well, yes, but Carrion Thralls are garbage too. Taken exactly zero times at the upcoming ATC. That's because of themes: the only theme they're allowed in is Infernal Machines, which has become defunct due to the release of Black Industries which is Infernal Machines but better.
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 5:57:55 GMT
Post by zarduhasslefrau on Jan 11, 2018 5:57:55 GMT
So is anybody going to try Anamak + Ammok + Croak Trappers? Might be a thing, especially with Chosen of Everblight.
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Cid
Jan 11, 2018 9:28:29 GMT
Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 11, 2018 9:28:29 GMT
I think one of the biggest strengths of Anamag, Golab and Primal Terrors is the layering of passive (only require positioning, not making dice rolls) buffs and debuffs, for example you have:
Accuracy Buffs - Carnage +2 mat - Sitting vulture -1 def - Paralysing Gaze -2 def
So a cumulative +5 mat swing
Damage Buffs - Fury's Strength +2 strength - Dark Shroud -2 arm
so a cumulative +4 damage swing
You then have a whole host of other passive aura abilities from Ammok and Golab - Exorcist to remove Incorp - Carrion Feast RFPs living and undead - Entropic Force lose tough and no healing
Anamag also has upkeep removal with Hex Blast, a threat extender with Gallows (great in a theme that can take Hellmouths), and the ability to potentially throw out a free spell like Carnage or Fury's strength (which is not an upkeep)
I am not saying it is broken, but it seems very strong, I can't think of any other caster who bring those sorts of mat and damage swings, combined with the plethora of other denial abilities, plus upkeep removal and a threat extender
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Lanz
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Jan 11, 2018 10:25:15 GMT
Post by Lanz on Jan 11, 2018 10:25:15 GMT
The rotwings, espeically with Anamag in mind, seem to feel like it's supposed to be the 'cryx' style approach of taking cheap spam infantry and buffing them (or debuffing enemies) to crazy levels. Finisher may be largely useless on PS9, but it's NOT useless on PS13 (after Dark Shroud and Fury's Strength), in which case, they're one of the cheapest, most spammable and fastest ways to output damage with Anamag in Primal Terrors. I wish they were cheaper, though. Facilitating a cheap-spam role in the 10-11 point range for a full unit would give them something consistent. Specific synergy with anamag speaks more about how powerful anamag is than how useful rotwings are. Anamag will probably not survive CID as she is, honestly. She just does too much too easily. I think one of the biggest strengths of Anamag, Golab and Primal Terrors is the layering of passive (only require positioning, not making dice rolls) buffs and debuffs, for example you have: Accuracy Buffs - Carnage +2 mat - Sitting vulture -1 def - Paralysing Gaze -2 def So a cumulative +5 mat swing Damage Buffs - Fury's Strength +2 strength - Dark Shroud -2 arm so a cumulative +4 damage swing You then have a whole host of other passive aura abilities from Ammok and Golab - Exorcist to remove Incorp - Carrion Feast RFPs living and undead - Entropic Force lose tough and no healing Anamag also has upkeep removal with Hex Blast, a threat extender with Gallows (great in a theme that can take Hellmouths), and the ability to potentially throw out a free spell like Carnage or Fury's strength (which is not an upkeep) I am not saying it is broken, but it seems very strong, I can't think of any other caster who bring those sorts of mat and damage swings, combined with the plethora of other denial abilities, plus upkeep removal and a threat extender Blightbringer too for either another -2 def debuff, or +2 str.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Jan 11, 2018 10:59:12 GMT
All the new choices may be a bit over the top when you add it all up, but I do like the idea. Iv missed synergies that give something more than "barely functional" down the line. With the carnichassis reducing in points, we don't have to count on this coming from there so the new stuff is a good place to start?
Note that many of the things mentioned above will work with any caster. She has a +4 damage swing for one turn... On warriormodels... And has to spend 2 fury per unit to get it to that level. Given something like kryssa's feat, or manifest destiny, I don't think it's all that crazy and all those other stacks work just as well for them.
She's strong, yes, but also really straightforward. She buffs things and has a random threatextender.
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