Hjard
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Jan 10, 2018 12:19:12 GMT
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Post by Hjard on Jan 10, 2018 12:19:12 GMT
Might be that Thags2 is not "the biggest problem". But these CIDs are primarily about a certain topic, Blighted Ogrun in this case and Thagrosh is THE blighted Ogrun. So he will be included in some way no matter what.
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haurukh
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Post by haurukh on Jan 10, 2018 12:23:34 GMT
Might be that Thags2 is not "the biggest problem". But these CIDs are primarily about a certain topic, Blighted Ogrun in this case and Thagrosh is THE blighted Ogrun. So he will be included in some way no matter what. You are free to believe that, but if there is nothing to fix, then no need to CID him.
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Jan 10, 2018 12:24:16 GMT
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Post by slaughtersun on Jan 10, 2018 12:24:16 GMT
Might be that Thags2 is not "the biggest problem". But these CIDs are primarily about a certain topic, Blighted Ogrun in this case and Thagrosh is THE blighted Ogrun. So he will be included in some way no matter what. You are free to believe that, but if there is nothing to fix, then no need to CID him. Qft
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Jan 10, 2018 12:51:11 GMT
I think Thagrosh2 is likely simply because he's an Ogrun and it might even be necessary to take him into account if the warchief and the new character solo will have any special interactions that could make a big difference for him.
I think the biggest problem with Thagrosh2 in CID, however, is that he basically can't run an effective primal terrors list. Without significant changes that make him more infantry-friendly (which I'm not sure I necessarily even want), it would be very difficult to make a strong enough list for valid playtesting with him that isn't basically just playing theme-less.
Also, I don't think we're guaranteed to get a huge base, are we? I kind of hope we don't. I don't want to pay $250 for some clutch BAHI model.
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haurukh
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Post by haurukh on Jan 10, 2018 12:58:57 GMT
I think Thagrosh2 is likely simply because he's an Ogrun and it might even be necessary to take him into account if the warchief and the new character solo will have any special interactions that could make a big difference for him. I think the biggest problem with Thagrosh2 in CID, however, is that he basically can't run an effective primal terrors list. Without significant changes that make him more infantry-friendly (which I'm not sure I necessarily even want), it would be very difficult to make a strong enough list for valid playtesting with him that isn't basically just playing theme-less. Also, I don't think we're guaranteed to get a huge base, are we? I kind of hope we don't. I don't want to pay $250 for some clutch BAHI model. The primal theme force does not allow any battle engines, and it did cover rotwings when still nobody has the slightest clue what they are. We also no longer have symmetric releases, so I see no specific indication for a huge base.
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whydak
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Jan 10, 2018 13:09:26 GMT
Post by whydak on Jan 10, 2018 13:09:26 GMT
I think Thagrosh2 is likely simply because he's an Ogrun and it might even be necessary to take him into account if the warchief and the new character solo will have any special interactions that could make a big difference for him. I think the biggest problem with Thagrosh2 in CID, however, is that he basically can't run an effective primal terrors list. Without significant changes that make him more infantry-friendly (which I'm not sure I necessarily even want), it would be very difficult to make a strong enough list for valid playtesting with him that isn't basically just playing theme-less. Also, I don't think we're guaranteed to get a huge base, are we? I kind of hope we don't. I don't want to pay $250 for some clutch BAHI model. I strongly consider him in Primal Terrors Heavy cavalery with Dragons Blood +some hellmouths for 1 free cards. Extened deploy is nice. And he will use Sprint from Golab a lot Looking on Trollblods CID models where included in CID due to keyword, this don't guarentee changes though. But they were listed in CID doc.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jan 10, 2018 13:17:21 GMT
Of all our casters T2 is not one i would prioritize... if anything hos issues stem from him being a BG caster and legion beasts being the main issue it reflects on the caster. Vayl1 / saeryn / abby1 are perhaps higher priority. Adding in another vote that Vayl 1 and Abby 1 need help. I think Saeryn works as intended as our control caster. The one thing I WANT on Thagrosh 2 is the Attuned Spirit [legion] ability. Why would he have lost that? I get that he shouldn't be a direct copy of his prime in terms of abilities (Look at Rhyas) but that free animus is just so helpful. I would also like to see Lylyth 2 get a bit of attention. Loosing the arcane archer bit was a brutal down turn to her ability to reliably do anything. Not saying she has to get exactly that back. But... wow does she need something to make up for it.
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Jan 10, 2018 13:21:30 GMT
Post by ForEver_Blight on Jan 10, 2018 13:21:30 GMT
I strongly consider him in Primal Terrors Heavy cavalery with Dragons Blood +some hellmouths for 1 free cards. Extened deploy is nice. And he will use Sprint from Golab a lot Looking on Trollblods CID models where included in CID due to keyword, this don't guarentee changes though. But they were listed in CID doc. dat OP 5" sprint doe [/sarcasm] Maybe Thagrosh 2 just gets a defense stat increase and be done with it. o.0?
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Jan 10, 2018 13:57:39 GMT
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Post by slaughtersun on Jan 10, 2018 13:57:39 GMT
Legion's lock stats were based around tenacity. With that gone they got almost nothing in return survivability side meaning thay they are more "kinda easy" to kill than they were before.
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eauc
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Jan 10, 2018 14:01:04 GMT
Post by eauc on Jan 10, 2018 14:01:04 GMT
Legion's lock stats were based around tenacity. With that gone they got almost nothing in return survivability side meaning thay they are more "kinda easy" to kill than they were before. Some of the weaker ones did get an ARM up to reflect this. Globally they're not easier to kill than other warlocks in the game. I'd say we got some of the best tanks in fact.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jan 10, 2018 14:15:39 GMT
Legion's lock stats were based around tenacity. With that gone they got almost nothing in return survivability side meaning thay they are more "kinda easy" to kill than they were before. Some of the weaker ones did get an ARM up to reflect this. Globally they're not easier to kill than other warlocks in the game. I'd say we got some of the best tanks in fact. o.o? Tanks?? I mean if you really want it you can get an effective Arm 21 Thagrosh 2 | Arm 22 Thagrosh 1 | Arm 24 Belphagor (which is actually bonkers at 24hp) But all of those require 57 points of beasts to accomplish. That aside- Average def is 14 and armor 16. We're better off than Protectorate. But we're pretty much as average as we can be.
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eauc
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Post by eauc on Jan 10, 2018 14:46:21 GMT
Well yeah, was thinking of Belphagor who is one of the best tanky warlocks in the game with 11/18+24boxes base (+2 immunities even though they don't matter has much in mk3). The usual "tanky" warlock is around 13/18+18boxes. So eKallus is already quite good against base average. Sure, if you want me to say that our ways to buff the base profile beyond that, cost more than troll/skorne options, then yeah. We also are the only faction beside troll/grimkin that get access to a buff that can't be ignored/dispelled. And no, I didn't mean "best" in the "playable" meaning. Just, we can stack beyond most factions if we want to. But tanking is for suckers honestly. Real menz play 16/14+8boxes warlocks (What I really miss from mk2 warlock-wise is immunity to KD with safeguard)
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danx
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Jan 10, 2018 15:23:08 GMT
Post by danx on Jan 10, 2018 15:23:08 GMT
I think Thagrosh2, will be fine in this theme. The 2" extra deploy is great for him. Ogryn units with +2 Arm sound neat. Double hellmouth (if Hellmouth Tentacle hits anything Thagrosh can finish it himself). And some Bees. Then May be the new cav unit - and that's 2 free solos. Sounds good. You then have 60 points of beasts to fill up.
I've never noticed Thag's 2 at an event, he seems a bit fun. But I think he could be made really cool easily enough.
Saeryn doesn't seem very Primal or Terror to me, and is very playable as stands despite having bad versions of so many other spells. Abby1 does seem quite primal and terrifying, and does need a bit of help. Give her cloak of ash and change feat a little and she would be good too.
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Jan 10, 2018 15:30:23 GMT
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Post by slaughtersun on Jan 10, 2018 15:30:23 GMT
I've never noticed Thag's 2 at an event, he seems a bit fun I took him to the WTC last year and he was great. One of my fave legion locks.
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haurukh
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Jan 10, 2018 16:47:22 GMT
Post by haurukh on Jan 10, 2018 16:47:22 GMT
CID started!
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