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Post by phantasmagorium on Apr 4, 2017 17:46:44 GMT
Troll infantry is mostly fine. Do I want it to be better? Duh, I love my trolls. Are they garbage? Nope. BOH has uses - shuts High Reclaimer right the Firetruck down, for example. Madrak2 is still very strong.
Convergence is easily the worst infantry faction in the game. All of their infantry support and tricks that made them a good infantry faction in Mk2 got nerfed into the ground when Mk3 launched, and they got nothing in exchange. Reciprocators are not an exception, because what made them great before was how strong their recursion game was.
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Post by tiberius on Apr 4, 2017 17:58:15 GMT
No votes for mechanithralls? Sure Brutes and even the skarlock commander are pretty good buffs to the unit, for extra investment, but for the cheap disposable recycleable infantry...they missed the recycleable part pretty badly. MAT 5, DEF 11, ARM 12, 10 pts for 10, lost most of their offensive potential against heavies.
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Post by pangurban on Apr 4, 2017 18:08:02 GMT
No votes for mechanithralls? Sure Brutes and even the skarlock commander are pretty good buffs to the unit, for extra investment, but for the cheap disposable recycleable infantry...they missed the recycleable part pretty badly. MAT 5, DEF 11, ARM 12, 10 pts for 10, lost most of their offensive potential against heavies. Cryx has issues, but they're not the worst infantry faction. And that's the subject, not what's the worst infantry unit.
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Post by mikethefish on Apr 4, 2017 18:49:27 GMT
Reciprocators being the huge exception to that statement They look good on paper, but in practice I rarely see them hit the table (admittedly, CoC isn't common in general here). And for their points I think most other factions prefer their own cavalry or something similar. That's mostly because their theme list is so boss, and also because just a general trend that may or may not have a basis in reality
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Post by robobengt on Apr 5, 2017 7:02:27 GMT
One can say alot about trollblood infantry, but claiming that fennblades are anything other than fantastic is just not true. BoH is not as good as one would hope because it forces you to bring really expensive models that you don't really want to be able to play as many points as all the other theme lists you meet. If fennblades counted towards getting free models I would be running BoH all the time.
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Post by godofthunder43 on Apr 5, 2017 17:32:32 GMT
While Circle has great infantry to be sure (looking at all wolfsworn units and the sentry stones atm), I would say the tharn males all need a little help. the ravagers lost a lot when they dropped brutal charge, and their survivability is hurting a lot. Dont even get me started on Bloodpack... other than that, circle is fine
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Post by joedj on Apr 6, 2017 21:06:39 GMT
Banes being targeted for CID declares, not worst, but in need of 'development'...
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Post by josephkerr on Apr 7, 2017 7:40:32 GMT
I'd honestly vote for Cryx. Theyre pigeonholed into being an infantry faction and theyre terrible at it.
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Post by zich on Apr 7, 2017 8:03:11 GMT
Are you sure? I just faced a "moar banez" list yesterday and I can tell you, if you don't bring much shooting, it's still absolutely devastating. It's not what it was, but that's a good thing.
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Post by Arcaux on Apr 7, 2017 14:09:28 GMT
I'd honestly vote for Cryx. Theyre pigeonholed into being an infantry faction and theyre terrible at it. You can't be the worst infantry faction when you have Satyxis Raiders and Soulhunters.
They blow many factions troop choices out the window.
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Post by pangurban on Apr 7, 2017 14:19:29 GMT
I'd honestly vote for Cryx. Theyre pigeonholed into being an infantry faction and theyre terrible at it. You can't be the worst infantry faction when you have Satyxis Raiders and Soulhunters.
They blow many factions troop choices out the window.
And have a very strong Incorporeal spam theme.
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Post by Arcaux on Apr 7, 2017 14:49:19 GMT
You can't be the worst infantry faction when you have Satyxis Raiders and Soulhunters.
They blow many factions troop choices out the window.
And have a very strong Incorporeal spam theme. Fair point, well made
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Post by zich on Apr 7, 2017 15:41:56 GMT
And an infantry gunline/swarm with the same theme.
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Post by trollsareblue on Apr 9, 2017 16:19:23 GMT
One can say alot about trollblood infantry, but claiming that fennblades are anything other than fantastic is just not true. BoH is not as good as one would hope because it forces you to bring really expensive models that you don't really want to be able to play as many points as all the other theme lists you meet. If fennblades counted towards getting free models I would be running BoH all the time. Fantastic at dying, maybe. Fenns block lanes well and die to a stiff breeze otherwise. They only look good in comparison to the rest of troll infantry.
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Post by robobengt on Apr 10, 2017 10:28:28 GMT
One can say alot about trollblood infantry, but claiming that fennblades are anything other than fantastic is just not true. BoH is not as good as one would hope because it forces you to bring really expensive models that you don't really want to be able to play as many points as all the other theme lists you meet. If fennblades counted towards getting free models I would be running BoH all the time. Fantastic at dying, maybe. Fenns block lanes well and die to a stiff breeze otherwise. They only look good in comparison to the rest of troll infantry. If you can't get fennblades to get work done, you're either running them into a list that's designed to take them out at extreme ranges, or you are playing them wrong. They almost always get their points back.
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