joedj
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Post by joedj on Apr 1, 2017 17:27:06 GMT
The glass half-empty counterpoint to 'best infantry faction' thread? Why? Perhaps 'full disclosure' to newer players considering unit purchases. Interested in varied opinions, based on your venues' experiences.
In our venue, I don't see particularly effective/exciting tactical play from troops in Trollbloods, Legion, CoC.
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princeraven
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Post by princeraven on Apr 2, 2017 3:55:29 GMT
Legion has some good infantry but it's mostly cavalry, solos and weird support units like Hellmouths and Spawning Vessels. Swordsmen aren't bad and I guess Grotesques are decent in the right list.
I think Circle might be the worst at running infantry at the moment.
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Post by pangurban on Apr 2, 2017 5:16:10 GMT
I think Circle might be the worst at running infantry at the moment. As long as they have Sentry Stones that's a questionable statement. It's just one unit, and a small one at that, but everyone would love to have something like it. The answer is probably the Convergence, they don't seem to have anything other factions might envy.
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Post by mikethefish on Apr 2, 2017 16:02:08 GMT
The answer is probably the Convergence, they don't seem to have anything other factions might envy. Reciprocators being the huge exception to that statement
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Post by pangurban on Apr 2, 2017 17:13:06 GMT
The answer is probably the Convergence, they don't seem to have anything other factions might envy. Reciprocators being the huge exception to that statement They look good on paper, but in practice I rarely see them hit the table (admittedly, CoC isn't common in general here). And for their points I think most other factions prefer their own cavalry or something similar.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Apr 2, 2017 21:29:13 GMT
Cygnar. Only stormblades are playable occasionally. Trenchers are a support unit in general.
All other infantry is garbo.
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Post by welshhoppo on Apr 2, 2017 21:54:23 GMT
I'd also agree with Cygnar.
All their infantry is smashed to bits by the Stormlances.
Because it was going to happen eventually, nerf the Stormlances!
But seriously, nerf them a little and make the rest of their infantry better.
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Post by pangurban on Apr 2, 2017 22:10:52 GMT
Cygnar. Only stormblades are playable occasionally. Trenchers are a support unit in general. All other infantry is garbo. Trenchers are extremely good with the right caster and Stormblades are solid. They just don't compare to Storm Lances. Nothing to write home about compared to the likes of Khador or Ret, but for me still better than the Convergence. Also, if it's "troops" joedj is going on about, Lances obviously count.
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Post by jest on Apr 2, 2017 23:02:54 GMT
Reciprocators being the huge exception to that statement They look good on paper, but in practice I rarely see them hit the table (admittedly, CoC isn't common in general here). And for their points I think most other factions prefer their own cavalry or something similar. It's really tough to justify taking infantry with Convergence. I've played with Convergence for a few months now. All of their casters except Aurora, who is below average, don't really have any unit buffs/synergy. They were built with recursion in mind, but recursion is weak. Now throw the new amazing theme, which doesn't allow non-support infantry, it's really hard to justify them at all. Also, their only ranged infantry is pretty weak (admittedly, I've only proxied them once). On paper Reciprocators and Eradicators look fine - high armor, 8 boxes, rules that make give them variability - but I can pretty much tell you that infantry is really really bad when you look at the context of the faction (which is fine, because the jack theme is great!).
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Apr 2, 2017 23:52:31 GMT
Cygnar. Only stormblades are playable occasionally. Trenchers are a support unit in general. All other infantry is garbo. Trenchers are extremely good with the right caster and Stormblades are solid. They just don't compare to Storm Lances. Nothing to write home about compared to the likes of Khador or Ret, but for me still better than the Convergence. Also, if it's "troops" joedj is going on about, Lances obviously count. So far I have yet to see stormblades be valuable outside of Maddox Storm Division. While you can certainly make them work with people like constance and stryker 3, they are innately low value due to the crappiness of the caster. Trenchers are ok. They are expensive support units who work with Haley 3 and outside of that they generally aren't worth breaking theme. With gravediggers we can talk, but outside of that I think trenchers aren't great. The op specifically says "infantry", but if that includes cavalry then cygnar is a good non-jack faction. The worst would probably be convergence as they have literally no reason to want to run much infantry with destruction initiative being their best list.
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Post by trollsareblue on Apr 3, 2017 0:00:47 GMT
Trolls infantry is garbage, with perhaps the exception of fire eaters. There is no reason to take any infantry unit in trolls, unless you like how it looks aesthetically. There is a reason POD is popular and BOH is not.
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Post by Korianneder on Apr 3, 2017 12:37:52 GMT
As a Convergence player, I would agree with it being Convergence. If I want to play an ideal list in a tournament, it's going to be in theme so there's no infantry there. Before the theme I played some of the medium bases and Angels with Lucant, but that was it. Aurora can run infantry nice, and it's fun to play because it's so different, but it's not a list I'd take to a tournament. Convergence would need an infantry theme force to make their infantry competitive. Or an un-nerf to their recursion abilities since the infantry was designed around that.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Apr 3, 2017 15:26:46 GMT
Trolls infantry is garbage, with perhaps the exception of fire eaters. There is no reason to take any infantry unit in trolls, unless you like how it looks aesthetically. There is a reason POD is popular and BOH is not. The best thing about your answer is that it's spot on and no one will believe you, because they all still remember Mk2 troll infantry that was pretty damn good.
It's hard if you don't play the faction to understand why Fennblades, Highwaymen, Champions and Longriders are all poor. I even consider Fire eaters mediocre, because of how easily Cygnar shoot them off the table before they earn a single point back and the fact you need a Pyre Troll to run them and he's garbage nowadays.
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Post by pangurban on Apr 3, 2017 18:23:23 GMT
If we change "worst infantry faction" to "worst faction in general" though, I expect Trollbloods will be the community favourite. They have more general issues.
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Post by Octantis on Apr 3, 2017 19:00:15 GMT
I run two infantry heavy lists with trolls and both times I've been happy with them. Note, I only play them for funsies and nothing approaching a tournament settings.
List 1 is Grissel1 with BOH. Champs and Warders and a few Beasts. It's old school Miserable Meat Mountain. Getting some warders base to base in someone's grill stopping charges really makes some misery.
List 2 is Gunnbjorn with Fennblades and highwaymen. This was in a journeyman league and I was pleasantly pleased with their output. That being said I could use Gunny's feat to protect them on the approach. Highwaymen were ok. Snipe on them helped a lot.
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