Is Mak2 Cats in MoW Answer to GF/DH?

Foegot about the Jump gimp from the Withering. Good point.

A nested Orin can negate the Scourge if it comes (though of course that's contingent on him being alive and safe in range.) As for the Egregore, it camping focus instead of spells is a good thing. A boosted kittie attack can blow through that stack real fast, and that feat doesn't cripple jump. Covering every landing spot within 2" is not something that any Cryx player wants to do with Banes.

The idea that prompted me to post was that most factions struggle to come up with a list that can handle the tech for both. The magic weapons is an issue with Blackbanes (and WE every other turn I suppose), but Denny is always the weak link. If you have layered Kats, perhaps that would work. If she approaches to 14" to get the front cats, that means she's 3" inches outside of walk. If you put Kats 4" behind those, she can't feat on those without being within walk range of the front ones. Granted, The Withering will be on them, but if you negate Crippling Grasp, boosted attacks can still hit her, and it doesn't take many.

I think there's game with this, but since I'm our resident Cryx player on the side, I don't have any experience.

No particular list, I'm just thinking Makeda2 Jumpcats in MoW is likely the backbone for a drop against both Ghost Fleet and Dark Host. The best shape would be something we'd have to develop, with trial and error. It seems to me the core tools to negate the worst they have to offer is there, and the fine tuning is what is needed. Thought the forum would be interested to work it, considering how often most other factions complain about it.

If we're talking Masters of War, this is probably a better solution:

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Skorne Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Masters of War

(Rasheth 1) Dominar Rasheth [+28]
- Agonizer [6]
- Archidon [10]
- Basilisk Krea [7]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Cataphract Cetrati (max) [18]
- Tyrant Vorkesh [0(6)]
Praetorian Ferox (max) [20]
Praetorian Karax (max) [11]
Praetorian Swordsmen (max) [13]
- Praetorian Swordsman Officer & Standard [0(4)]
Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer [0(6)]


It doesn't have Stay Death, but Cryx has tons of Grievous Wounds anyway. It does however offer way more magical damage, immunity to the assassination, protection from channelling and a brick that even Cryx probably can't crack.

I'd like someone to answer a very simple question: Why would you play Makeda2 into Cryx? She does nothing that is good into Cryx. MoW? Sure. Ferox? Why not. But Makeda2? What for?

I know what Stay Death does. In fact I have played a ton of Makeda2 already and can assure you that it is very strong indeed. Before MoW the matchup was beyond horrible. Their Grievous on the Stalkers is a part of the issue, but our lack of relevant Magical Weapons and the amount of mid-quality attacks GF can put out are additional ones. The RfP issue is somewhat solved by MoW, but that is after all only one component of DennyFleet and Cryx in general.

So I'm asking the question: If we are devoting one of our lists to play into Cryx, why not go all the way? Why not take a caster that counters their tricks instead of one which is countered by them? Rasheth certainly is such a caster. Maybe Hexy2 is aswell. Hexy1 might be, but probably not in this theme.

For lists I'd go with something like the one I posted above. Will definitely try that one out once I get the last few missing pieces painted. But let's walk through it:

Rasheth - Castigate is brilliant as you said. Breath of Corruption is amazing as well. It can be used to keep stuff out of melee - both Bane Warriors and Pirates of mostly any flavor. It also threatens assassination to some degree. Killing a single Witch with 2x Breath or even 2x SunderSpirit is far from impossible (boosted 14 kills a witch through her focus, but it might be good enough if you get a second spell or more attacks on her). His feat obviously helps with attrition and gives Denny identity issues. All of this is tried and true to a degree, as Rasheth has been played a lot into Cryx with Winds of Death. And by better players than me. Of course the assassination in MoW is far weaker, but RfP helps and not relying on ranged attacks might help into DarkHost. This needs a lot of testing.

Cetrati + Vorkesh + Agonizer - A brick that even Cryx might have trouble with, especially on feat turn. Sacred Ward is of course a massive part of what makes it great. Less good into banes, but hilarious into Pirates. Their speed might be an issue. This will need a lot of testing.

Krea: Keeps Rasheth safe. Without Parasite and with Force Aura the Ghost Shots can hardly harm him.

Archidon: It's an Archidon. Can be sacrificed to put a few boxes into the Wraith Engine. Can kill a few key models and sprint back. It's just so very versatile.

Brute: Boxes to transfer to. A shield guard. Overall a very conservative choice. Could be replaced with more important stuff, but will never be bad.

Soulwards: Guidance. Helps wound the Incop stuff. Helps threaten casters and Occultated Banes.

Ferox: They project threat. One unit is enough for that, might even cut it down to a min unit. They should be very useful for getting to leader models.

Karax: Cheap Arc Nodes. Cheap bodies. Cheap attacks. They're also pretty cheap.

Swordsmen: Should be able to take care of whatever is left once the lines clash. I want to keep them back at first and then unleash them later.

Willbreaker: Sometimes a roll really has to happen. Can be taken out for something more important.

TyCom: He's free.


Strategy: Will write stuff up once I find the time.