Provengreil
Junior Strategist
Choir Kills: 12
Posts: 850
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 22, 2017 16:48:43 GMT
Yeah and you provided a solution for warjacks, that doesn't even work all that often on warjacks. What happens when you're facing beasts and the caster can drop a fury to heal em? Don't they just turn around and wreck you? Why does you strategy to deal with two heavies at once rely on lucky column placement? I told you I'm not playing shroedinger's game state. Are makeada's cats there too? Am I using Harbinger or Amon? Where are my 6-12 heavies on the field? are you cryx or legion or trolls? and since you clearly didn't bring much infantry witht he 12 heavies, why am I not just camping a flag and calling it a day, since my double flamebringers and double daughters stopped you in front of the scenario? Maybe I used eiyriss to disrupt or hit the beast with grievous. Why not all of them? we can both have whatver we can think of, right?
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 22, 2017 22:59:42 GMT
So basically the only game state you'll use is the one where you miraculously dont kill the second heavy, and they dont have the means to repair it, and they aren't any hordes list.
Yeah I imagine you'd have a point if that situation ever actually came up.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Oct 23, 2017 1:03:33 GMT
Fury OP
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Post by Cryptix on Oct 23, 2017 2:40:13 GMT
Indeed, the spell Fury is surely OP, we must begin by stripping it from Siege2!
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 23, 2017 3:21:12 GMT
TBH if cygnar gets fury its past time khador got arcane shield.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Oct 23, 2017 11:36:07 GMT
Good point! Better nerf Khador again...
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Post by Cryptix on Oct 23, 2017 12:15:31 GMT
TBH if cygnar gets fury its past time khador got arcane shield. battlecollege.org/index.php/Colonel_Markus_‘Siege’_Brisbane
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Post by jisidro on Oct 23, 2017 16:00:49 GMT
TBH if cygnar gets fury its past time khador got arcane shield.
Can you Sar Sorscha3? Who knows?
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Post by pvtjoker on Oct 23, 2017 16:01:57 GMT
Indeed, the spell Fury is surely OP, we must begin by stripping it from Siege2! Do you fall for a lot of trolling on Twitter too?
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Post by snarlyyow on Oct 23, 2017 16:12:24 GMT
TBH if cygnar gets fury its past time khador got arcane shield. battlecollege.org/index.php/Colonel_Markus_‘Siege’_Brisbane Stryker3 has had that spell for four years...
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 23, 2017 16:27:54 GMT
TBH if cygnar gets fury its past time khador got arcane shield.
Can you Sar Sorscha3? Who knows?
MoW sorscha would certainly love arcane shield XD
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Post by snarlyyow on Oct 23, 2017 16:45:58 GMT
Can you Sar Sorscha3? Who knows?
MoW sorscha would certainly love arcane shield XD It's basically why Cygnar will never get heavy infantry and Khador will never get Arcane Shield. Trolls won't ever get it. I wouldn't be aghast if, say, Circle wound up with Arcane Shield one day. Or maybe Retribution (though Imperatus with Arcane Shield seems downright unfair.) Maybe Legion. But Khador? I don't see how that ever happens.
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Post by greytemplar on Oct 23, 2017 17:22:06 GMT
Can I kill a colossal is right up there with "can i kill beheavies in 1 turn" which is also a thing you have to do in mk3. They don't skew that badly. If you cant take a colossal out you're really going to struggle with the 6 to 10 heavy lists out there. Indeed. If anything, its easier to take out 1 colossal than take out the 2-3 heavies it costs. Largely because its in one location. You also net more once its dead than killing multiple heavies one at a time. Colossals arent OP as a concept, and Gargantuans just need to be able to leverage more power to be the same value.
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Post by snarlyyow on Oct 23, 2017 18:09:22 GMT
Can I kill a colossal is right up there with "can i kill beheavies in 1 turn" which is also a thing you have to do in mk3. They don't skew that badly. If you cant take a colossal out you're really going to struggle with the 6 to 10 heavy lists out there. Indeed. If anything, its easier to take out 1 colossal than take out the 2-3 heavies it costs. Largely because its in one location. You also net more once its dead than killing multiple heavies one at a time. Colossals arent OP as a concept, and Gargantuans just need to be able to leverage more power to be the same value. I think colossals are largely fine. I think we've seen the meta be the way it is because running heavies is cheap and easy and gives you more board prescence. In an era of premeasuring threatening the board from multiple vectors is really valuable. I can't imagine a cost reduction in huge bases. Having a Stormwall be 35 points seems too good. I think if we keep seeing an increase in troopers we'll see an increase in Gargs and Colossals. the meta has had so many heavies for so long they've been untenable. You're not going to put a colossal on the table against Karchev and 10 heavies or Vyros2. But, if the meta shifts, I think they become very viable. RIght now they just have too many lists that prey on them.
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