Post by CodFather on Mar 14, 2017 9:03:31 GMT
It's not the ruleset of mk3 that made groups and forums more Female Dogy, its the fact that PP introduced aggressive errata's and dynamic updates that has created a problem.
The errata's and updates themselves are not the problem, they are amazing for the game and should ensure that the game is well balanced(within reason). We're not there yet, there will be mistakes and problems, but dynamic updates and the CID will continue to make this game better and better.
However, instead of the mk2 attitude of overcoming problems, now people just Female Dog and whine and call for nerfs. For example, haley2 for most of mk2 was one of the most egregious casters in the history of the game (with the possible exception of una2, and she was fixed within a few months) . But back in mk2, pp would generally not change model stats or rules, so the community figured out how to play around haley2 and beat her.
Now that PP has shown a willingness to change things, that attitude of overcoming strong models is gone, when people come up against strong models or combinations, they don't look to themselves or their faction for the tools to overcome it, they cry "OP" and complain that PP broke the game. Where in reality, the game is probably the most balanced it's every been as a whole (personal opinion). (This is of course an overgeneralization, not everybody whines and many do innovate and overcome)
The above isn't to say that some things still aren't eggregious, or that pp shouldn't tone down super strong models/combination, I'm all for the dynamic updates as stated above. Things like Una2, Kharchev, High reclaimer, Khador theme, etc.... all were pretty over the top, and the changes made were by and large good for the game (some debatably overdone, but not the topic of this conversation). And there are still pieces in the game that need to be toned down and definitely pieces that need to be brought up.
But just because something is strong and just because you may have trouble dealing with it does not necessarily mean its "broken" and needs to be nerfed. Many things are strong without being over the top. The CID is a great way forward as it will eventually allow overperforming models and underperforming models to be put under mass scrutiny, hopefully in a constructive matter and overtime the game should only become more and more balanced.
So in conclusion, nothing about mk3 in its ruleset has really made the game or attitude towards the game that much worse. In my opinion the ruleset is in the best place its ever been (but of course could still improve). However, the willingness to change models has created a sense of entitlement in players that if a player can't deal with a certain model or combination, it's completely PP's fault and needs to be changed.
And before anyone attacks pp for them closing the forums, I agree. I am very upset that we don't have a centralised discussion area, and that the community has fragmented across the Internet. Some of their reasoning was shoddy, and the closing of the forums could have been handled with better communication.
Although there were many great things about the forums, I personally loved visiting them, but pp did have a point and we all know it. Alongside the gold of the forums, there was a ton of negativity. And I don't want that these new forums to follow the same path as the old.
So let us be challenged by the strong models in the game like we used be, not threatened by them. Innovate and overcome and trust that the CID and dynamic updates in time will deal with those truly broken.
The errata's and updates themselves are not the problem, they are amazing for the game and should ensure that the game is well balanced(within reason). We're not there yet, there will be mistakes and problems, but dynamic updates and the CID will continue to make this game better and better.
However, instead of the mk2 attitude of overcoming problems, now people just Female Dog and whine and call for nerfs. For example, haley2 for most of mk2 was one of the most egregious casters in the history of the game (with the possible exception of una2, and she was fixed within a few months) . But back in mk2, pp would generally not change model stats or rules, so the community figured out how to play around haley2 and beat her.
Now that PP has shown a willingness to change things, that attitude of overcoming strong models is gone, when people come up against strong models or combinations, they don't look to themselves or their faction for the tools to overcome it, they cry "OP" and complain that PP broke the game. Where in reality, the game is probably the most balanced it's every been as a whole (personal opinion). (This is of course an overgeneralization, not everybody whines and many do innovate and overcome)
The above isn't to say that some things still aren't eggregious, or that pp shouldn't tone down super strong models/combination, I'm all for the dynamic updates as stated above. Things like Una2, Kharchev, High reclaimer, Khador theme, etc.... all were pretty over the top, and the changes made were by and large good for the game (some debatably overdone, but not the topic of this conversation). And there are still pieces in the game that need to be toned down and definitely pieces that need to be brought up.
But just because something is strong and just because you may have trouble dealing with it does not necessarily mean its "broken" and needs to be nerfed. Many things are strong without being over the top. The CID is a great way forward as it will eventually allow overperforming models and underperforming models to be put under mass scrutiny, hopefully in a constructive matter and overtime the game should only become more and more balanced.
So in conclusion, nothing about mk3 in its ruleset has really made the game or attitude towards the game that much worse. In my opinion the ruleset is in the best place its ever been (but of course could still improve). However, the willingness to change models has created a sense of entitlement in players that if a player can't deal with a certain model or combination, it's completely PP's fault and needs to be changed.
And before anyone attacks pp for them closing the forums, I agree. I am very upset that we don't have a centralised discussion area, and that the community has fragmented across the Internet. Some of their reasoning was shoddy, and the closing of the forums could have been handled with better communication.
Although there were many great things about the forums, I personally loved visiting them, but pp did have a point and we all know it. Alongside the gold of the forums, there was a ton of negativity. And I don't want that these new forums to follow the same path as the old.
So let us be challenged by the strong models in the game like we used be, not threatened by them. Innovate and overcome and trust that the CID and dynamic updates in time will deal with those truly broken.