zich
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Post by zich on Jul 18, 2017 12:44:27 GMT
But it does so only against living models, as undead apparently lack the necessary anatomy.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 18, 2017 12:48:14 GMT
But it does so only against living models, as undead apparently lack the necessary anatomy. Well, it is really hard to stab a Bane in the eye or the liver
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Post by Cyel on Jul 18, 2017 13:19:34 GMT
But it does so only against living models, as undead apparently lack the necessary anatomy. Well, it is really hard to stab a Bane in the eye or the liver At least they know how to stab the "Tough" organ.
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kaos
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Post by kaos on Jul 18, 2017 13:52:21 GMT
Ehy didn't notice the living thing, so well it doesn't work. Another solution needs to be found...
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Post by flamigant on Jul 18, 2017 18:54:10 GMT
I'm glad everyone is discussing how OP Khador should be while you should be talking about the new Skornelike faction called "Protectorate". 40th place? Warmahordes is getting more and more ridiculous by the day... Cygnar and Cryx on top feels like Mk2 all over again.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jul 18, 2017 21:18:54 GMT
Wow, it's almost as if we have a well-balanced, vibrant, dynamic meta.
Naaaahhh...
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Post by greytemplar on Jul 18, 2017 21:22:32 GMT
Those who complain about it do so because they feel Khador jack spam is too difficult to deal with for their faction. To be honest, in my experience, people that say these things usually have very limited self-awareness, and instead of saying "I personally can't deal with X" they generalize with "This whole group, which I'm a part of, can't deal with X". I mean, I get the reason behind it, still doesn't make it right, and I think it's wrong for anybody to just validate those comments with stuff like "Yea, you are right, Haley_2 is unbeatable with Khador and she should be nerfed. Your opinion is totally justified!". Although I agree with the rest of the things you said pangur Can we complain about Grymkin beasts? Why are threat 12" mat 7 pow 19 fury 4 things for 15 pts allowed? Why are 13 boxes shield guard bunnies for 3.5 pts allowed and should troll wardens just mass suicide? lol, people complaining about Grymkin would be the ultimate irony. They were in CID for a long time and if you didn't get involved, I'm guessing it's too late now. At this point I would refer to everyone to my first paragraph in this post and try to figure out why YOU can't deal with them instead of telling PP to "put the cake back in the oven, cause it's not done" as your first course of action. Many of us did infact complain loudly about Cage Ragers, and grymkin stuff in general, being way way too strong. We got ignored.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Jul 18, 2017 21:37:37 GMT
To be honest, in my experience, people that say these things usually have very limited self-awareness, and instead of saying "I personally can't deal with X" they generalize with "This whole group, which I'm a part of, can't deal with X". I mean, I get the reason behind it, still doesn't make it right, and I think it's wrong for anybody to just validate those comments with stuff like "Yea, you are right, Haley_2 is unbeatable with Khador and she should be nerfed. Your opinion is totally justified!". Although I agree with the rest of the things you said pangur lol, people complaining about Grymkin would be the ultimate irony. They were in CID for a long time and if you didn't get involved, I'm guessing it's too late now. At this point I would refer to everyone to my first paragraph in this post and try to figure out why YOU can't deal with them instead of telling PP to "put the cake back in the oven, cause it's not done" as your first course of action. Many of us did infact complain loudly about Cage Ragers, and grymkin stuff in general, being way way too strong. We got ignored. Cage ragers aren't too strong, wraithbane might be, but cage ragers aren't.
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Post by dmorktry on Jul 18, 2017 22:38:02 GMT
I'm glad everyone is discussing how OP Khador should be while you should be talking about the new Skornelike faction called "Protectorate". 40th place? Warmahordes is getting more and more ridiculous by the day... Cygnar and Cryx on top feels like Mk2 all over again. It's almost like poetry, it rhymes. People will flock out of the underperforming factions, jump on the Cygnar and Cryx bandwagon, we'll need a whole new edition to fix it either nerfing or reducing the two's effectiveness and because they're some of the most played and vocal factions all their stuff will be buffed back up and then we repeat again for Mk 5.
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kaos
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Post by kaos on Jul 19, 2017 5:29:52 GMT
I'm glad everyone is discussing how OP Khador should be while you should be talking about the new Skornelike faction called "Protectorate". 40th place? Warmahordes is getting more and more ridiculous by the day... Cygnar and Cryx on top feels like Mk2 all over again. yeah protectorate do not scare anyone anymore. Perfect balance is hard to reach. Now the problem is cryx was garbage tier until the theme forces come out. Khador saw some ridicolous themes but was nerfed back into reasonability. So we can probably hope the same here, unless is circle and khador the only armies needing hard nerfs. I feel karchev nerf was quite unnecessary, but hey.
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Post by greytemplar on Jul 19, 2017 6:03:26 GMT
Many of us did infact complain loudly about Cage Ragers, and grymkin stuff in general, being way way too strong. We got ignored. Cage ragers aren't too strong, wraithbane might be, but cage ragers aren't. They really are. And sadly they overshadow the SnM too much. The Cage Rager has a useful animus, is extremely durable, hits like a truck, is very cheap, and generally doesn't need support to function. And because it's so solid on its own, when it is supported it's even better. The SnM needs a good amount of support before it gets to a decent level. None of the Cage Rager's individual components are OP in and of themselves, but it's the perfect storm of optimized function that together is just a little over the top. Now I don't think it should have been made more expensive. What should have happened is it should have had it's offensive ability toned down. It should have been a support heavy all the way instead of an offensive beast that also supports very well. Grymkin really should have had a 3rd heavy to even out the arch types. I think them only having 2 heavies led to PP being heavy handed in making them well above the curve. With "they only have 2 heavies!" being the justification, and a poor one at that. Even if a faction had only 1 option for a heavy, that's no excuse to make it OP.
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zich
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Post by zich on Jul 19, 2017 6:47:58 GMT
I'm glad everyone is discussing how OP Khador should be while you should be talking about the new Skornelike faction called "Protectorate". 40th place? Warmahordes is getting more and more ridiculous by the day... Cygnar and Cryx on top feels like Mk2 all over again. yeah protectorate do not scare anyone anymore. Perfect balance is hard to reach. Now the problem is cryx was garbage tier until the theme forces come out. Khador saw some ridicolous themes but was nerfed back into reasonability. So we can probably hope the same here, unless is circle and khador the only armies needing hard nerfs. I feel karchev nerf was quite unnecessary, but hey. Here. Me. Protectorate do scare me. Nobody forces Skorne into a Chicken like Protectorate do.
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Post by jisidro on Jul 19, 2017 8:35:33 GMT
So, there are no standings from L&L anywhere?
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kaos
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Post by kaos on Jul 19, 2017 9:54:56 GMT
So, there are no standings from L&L anywhere? At the moment no, lots of twitters with lists and word of mouth but nothing officially registered. Anyway 2 Cygnar and 2 Cryx as top 4 Master are confirmed.
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Post by jisidro on Jul 19, 2017 10:15:25 GMT
I don't think PP is going to release info, I was asking if someone took pics or something like that...
They know they'd get hammered by the timing of MK2-errata-style (probably a gross exageration on my part) and the Sister-geddon that seems to be happening (Again an exageration, just not gross).
I they do release info, I'll happily thank and praise it as a good thing. This is a competitive game, results ARE a part of it. After only a small % of the million that watch footbal (The one played with your feet) actually play it.
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