kaos
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Post by kaos on Jul 17, 2017 17:53:25 GMT
Ok well let's drop the silliness. Do you think it will be a change in meta to heavy armor to infantry? Apart Haley 2 of course, she is always meta.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jul 17, 2017 18:04:59 GMT
Either way we have to adapt to it. Which I would enjoy greatly. If we do have a"boogeyman" that thrashes heavy armor/box spam. We could see an upset in the meta. That would be good in my book.
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Post by pangurban on Jul 17, 2017 18:07:11 GMT
Ok well let's drop the silliness. Do you think it will be a change in meta to heavy armor to infantry? Apart Haley 2 of course, she is always meta. I'm not sure what you're saying, but currently any change in the meta that makes (melee) infantry more generally useful seems like progress to me.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jul 17, 2017 18:13:41 GMT
Ok well let's drop the silliness. Do you think it will be a change in meta to heavy armor to infantry? Apart Haley 2 of course, she is always meta. I'm not sure what you're saying, but currently any change in the meta that makes (melee) infantry more generally useful seems like progress to me. I think it was meant as " From heavy armor to infantry". As in the S&M would do better against single heavy targets than a lot of spread out light armor but high def infantry models. thus causing the shift in meta favored models/lists.
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Post by pangurban on Jul 17, 2017 18:27:55 GMT
I doubt we'll see heavy armor disappear entirely in favour of infantry. There's still plenty anti-infantry tech in the game. A shift where we see both would be good though.
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Post by dmorktry on Jul 17, 2017 19:10:28 GMT
I doubt we'll see heavy armor disappear entirely in favour of infantry. There's still plenty anti-infantry tech in the game. A shift where we see both would be good though. I wonder what percent of people want infantry back because they want to use infantry or want to use anti-infantry tech. Regardless, it would take a lot for infantry to shine against all the tech that's currently out against them.
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Post by pangurban on Jul 17, 2017 19:25:16 GMT
I doubt we'll see heavy armor disappear entirely in favour of infantry. There's still plenty anti-infantry tech in the game. A shift where we see both would be good though. I wonder what percent of people want infantry back because they want to use infantry or want to use anti-infantry tech. Regardless, it would take a lot for infantry to shine against all the tech that's currently out against them. I play Ret, Legion and a bit of Cryx. Ret's in a decent position with regards to infantry, Legion is apparently supposed to be but really isn't and Cryx absolutely hinges on infantry. I get a bit of every perspective. Personally, I want more infantry to be played because it's an indicator that the game is in a good place if all types of models are competitively viable. Factions have different strengths and weaknesses - if a faction's main strength gets countered hard in the meta, it will suffer for it; if its main strength dominates or its biggest weakness irrelevant, it will thrive. In other words, if we want a game that's largely balanced across all the different factions, we want all the different types of army qualities to be roughly equal.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jul 17, 2017 20:58:17 GMT
It is entirely possible that the meta will continue to oscillate when it comes to infantry. If people stop bringing lists that can deal with Irusk 2, Madrak 2, and Vlad Rockets, then they return, but how much does it take to chase them away? Same with DEF skew, or anything really. It seems that the only permanent fixtures are jacks, beasts, and ARM, but that totally makes sense. This kind of fluid metagame is healthy, and this really is the best this game has been for a very long time, maybe ever.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Jul 17, 2017 21:10:18 GMT
Lol, Khador jacks are still undercosted. Of the top 4 at wintercon, 2 were Khador and khador came first and third, winning both games of the semi and finals.
If not winning = not op, then winning = totally op, right?
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 17, 2017 21:14:54 GMT
Lol, Khador jacks are still undercosted. Of the top 4 at wintercon, 2 were Khador and khador came first and third, winning both games of the semi and finals. If not winning = not op, then winning = totally op, right? Theres the Octavius I know and love! So lets Nerf Haley2 Right? Nah, leave her alone. Shes countered by Kharchev. Lets Nerf Kharchev.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Jul 17, 2017 22:01:34 GMT
So on a certain discount Web page that shows tournament results from the last 20 events only 3 were won by Khador and one of those 3 was a team tournament.
So yes Khador is total OP and must be nerfed back to mark 1. Lol
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kuarnix
Junior Strategist
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Post by kuarnix on Jul 17, 2017 22:14:11 GMT
Either way we have to adapt to it. Which I would enjoy greatly. If we do have a"boogeyman" that thrashes heavy armor/box spam. We could see an upset in the meta. That would be good in my book. I always felt like Bane Warriors and similar models were boogeymen for heavy armor. If someone really cracks Dark Host open or Cryx really re-emerges in flavors that are not ghost fleet you may see some of this shift. In the last game I played, the Cygnar player could definitely have benefited from a 10-man unit to bubble wrap his 'jacks from Bane Riders, etc.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Jul 17, 2017 23:17:20 GMT
Lol, Khador jacks are still undercosted. Of the top 4 at wintercon, 2 were Khador and khador came first and third, winning both games of the semi and finals. If not winning = not op, then winning = totally op, right? Theres the Octavius I know and love! So lets Nerf Haley2 Right? Nah, leave her alone. Shes countered by Kharchev. Lets Nerf Kharchev. You know im fine with nerfing both, right?
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 17, 2017 23:27:57 GMT
You know im fine with nerfing both, right? That's new news to me considering: Lol, karchev still needs more nerfs. He really needs to lose battle charged. In 2017 he becomes close to unkillable, unbeatable on scenario and hardly able to be beaten on attrition. To me it remains VERY iconic because you said those things within days of one another. edit: stupid quotation system
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Jul 18, 2017 0:15:45 GMT
You know im fine with nerfing both, right? That's new news to me considering: Lol, karchev still needs more nerfs. He really needs to lose battle charged. In 2017 he becomes close to unkillable, unbeatable on scenario and hardly able to be beaten on attrition. To me it remains VERY iconic because you said those things within days of one another. edit: stupid quotation system Saying "other things exist which bring just as powerful pieces" isn't the same as "don't nerf" If you are going to be a pedant like this then move this useless BS to PM's. All I see is idiotic arguments about why Haley is OP from you and a number of other players. Yes, she probably is OP but I have yet to see you prove why. That is all I am doing, forcing you to actually make a provable argument.
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