kaos
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Post by kaos on Jul 17, 2017 12:07:37 GMT
So, looks like L&L saw Cygnar and Cryx in the first 4 positions.
Khador far from the top.
Can we stop complaining about Khador jacks now?
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 17, 2017 12:09:50 GMT
Nope. Not until their Defense 5, Armor 17, Str 9.
We gotta make sure that they are balanced!
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Post by pangurban on Jul 17, 2017 12:10:06 GMT
I never really complained about Khador jacks in the first place, but one (or even two or three) events constitute neither a reason to stop complaining about something nor to start.
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crimsyn
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Post by crimsyn on Jul 17, 2017 12:13:09 GMT
Clearly, Marauders need to be made SPD 3
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kaos
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Post by kaos on Jul 17, 2017 13:06:14 GMT
I will propose all Khador jacks roll just one dice to hit and to damage instead of the canonical 2d6
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Jul 17, 2017 13:15:42 GMT
All Khador jacks should have the unstable rule. It's a fun, fluffy rule for them.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Jul 17, 2017 13:35:12 GMT
I never really complained about Khador jacks in the first place, but one (or even two or three) events constitute neither a reason to stop complaining about something nor to start. This would hold true but from what I have seen, though Khador has been putting in good showings they haven't won it all much. So yes I just think in general the whining levels across the boards need to come down and let's play the game that we all love. Feel free to post about your ups and downs but the constant complaints about non winning things need to slow down.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 17, 2017 13:38:06 GMT
Can we complain about Grymkin beasts? Why are threat 12" mat 7 pow 19 fury 4 things for 15 pts allowed? Why are 13 boxes shield guard bunnies for 3.5 pts allowed and should troll wardens just mass suicide?
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Post by pangurban on Jul 17, 2017 13:54:40 GMT
I never really complained about Khador jacks in the first place, but one (or even two or three) events constitute neither a reason to stop complaining about something nor to start. This would hold true but from what I have seen, though Khador has been putting in good showings they haven't won it all much. So yes I just think in general the whining levels across the boards need to come down and let's play the game that we all love. Feel free to post about your ups and downs but the constant complaints about non winning things need to slow down. I'd prefer it goes down period. Regardless of results, be they positive or negative. I mean, look at Khador jack spam. People aren't complaining about it because it wins everything. Those who complain about it do so because they feel Khador jack spam is too difficult to deal with for their faction. Whether I agree with that or not, it's at least an argument I can understand and discuss. Jeff Everitt winning lots of things with Khador is not.
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crimsyn
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Post by crimsyn on Jul 17, 2017 13:56:45 GMT
I will propose all Khador jacks roll just one dice to hit and to damage instead of the canonical 2d6 2 dice is fine, as long as they are d4s
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Post by HereComesTomorrow on Jul 17, 2017 14:45:43 GMT
Can we complain about Grymkin beasts? Why are threat 12" mat 7 pow 19 fury 4 things for 15 pts allowed? Why are 13 boxes shield guard bunnies for 3.5 pts allowed and should troll wardens just mass suicide? Because they also need to bring a battle engine and/or unit of Dread Rots with them.
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Post by jisidro on Jul 17, 2017 16:14:02 GMT
Can we complain about Grymkin beasts? Why are threat 12" mat 7 pow 19 fury 4 things for 15 pts allowed? Why are 13 boxes shield guard bunnies for 3.5 pts allowed and should troll wardens just mass suicide? Because they also need to bring a battle engine and/or unit of Dread Rots with them.
Who, obivously, don't do anything themselves...
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Ganso
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Post by Ganso on Jul 17, 2017 16:24:19 GMT
Those who complain about it do so because they feel Khador jack spam is too difficult to deal with for their faction. To be honest, in my experience, people that say these things usually have very limited self-awareness, and instead of saying "I personally can't deal with X" they generalize with "This whole group, which I'm a part of, can't deal with X". I mean, I get the reason behind it, still doesn't make it right, and I think it's wrong for anybody to just validate those comments with stuff like "Yea, you are right, Haley_2 is unbeatable with Khador and she should be nerfed. Your opinion is totally justified!". Although I agree with the rest of the things you said pangur Can we complain about Grymkin beasts? Why are threat 12" mat 7 pow 19 fury 4 things for 15 pts allowed? Why are 13 boxes shield guard bunnies for 3.5 pts allowed and should troll wardens just mass suicide? lol, people complaining about Grymkin would be the ultimate irony. They were in CID for a long time and if you didn't get involved, I'm guessing it's too late now. At this point I would refer to everyone to my first paragraph in this post and try to figure out why YOU can't deal with them instead of telling PP to "put the cake back in the oven, cause it's not done" as your first course of action.
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Post by jisidro on Jul 17, 2017 16:35:27 GMT
lol, people complaining about Grymkin would be the ultimate irony. They were in CID for a long time and if you didn't get involved, I'm guessing it's too late now. At this point I would refer to everyone to my first paragraph in this post and try to figure out why YOU can't deal with them instead of telling PP to "put the cake back in the oven, cause it's not done" as your first course of action.
Sorry to say Ganso but this is complete BS. CID or no CID players are not here to work for PP. Players are not required, nor should feel obligated, to participate in the CID process.
If something comes out of CID over-the-top it's not the communities responsability, it is PP's. They have all the power, reap all the benefits and a consequence have all the responsability. This works both ways, when stuff comes out well it's their merit as well.
As an note I did oppose the Wraithbane on the Cage guy and expressed concerns about the fully loaded potential on the S&M. And I wasn't the only one.
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Ganso
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Post by Ganso on Jul 17, 2017 16:55:52 GMT
Sorry to say Ganso but this is complete BS. CID or no CID players are not here to work for PP. Players are not required, nor should feel obligated, to participate in the CID process. If something comes out of CID over-the-top it's not the communities responsability, it is PP's. They have all the power, reap all the benefits and a consequence have all the responsability. This works both ways, when stuff comes out well it's their merit as well. As an note I did oppose the Wraithbane on the Cage guy and expressed concerns about the fully loaded potential on the S&M. And I wasn't the only one. Yes, I understand all of that. The community should not feel the need to audit PP's processes to assure that they are getting a quality product. But, as a counter point: This did go through CID, it was discussed with many players (of all skill levels and in many places), and this is, for a lack of a better term, the consensus all those involved reached (with PPs oversight of course). At this point, to anybody that automatically thinks Grymkin are "too good" I guess I would say "have you considered that maybe the problem is you?".
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