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Post by W0lfBane on Jun 15, 2017 11:48:07 GMT
Mfw the off topic thread also becomes off topic. I think the problem with the haley marey site story is that someone was forced to write her becoming a time lord arc because someone in design really wanted to come out with the haley 3 model and rules and the fluff department had to come up with a kind of rushed character arc to bring her up to speed
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 15, 2017 12:53:24 GMT
Now, maybe they both trained as hard. But Haley fought as hard as she could. Denny played with her prey, took her time, relished the slaughter. Because of that, Haley was the one paying attention, she saw an opening, and used it to win. Denny's sacrifice was not as good. I'm sorry, but Haley didn't see an opening. It was pure chance that she "reached deep inside herself" and just happened to find the power to Dominate the Slayer that was next to Denny. Ok, I actually liked that part of the story, but then she, by pure chance again, happened to find the power to become omnipotent, there they kind of lost me... Deneghra is definitely pure evil, but it's not like that's her fault. Asphyxious literally tortured and brain washed her to become what she is today. Why does only Victoria get to catch a break?
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Jun 15, 2017 13:00:52 GMT
Now, maybe they both trained as hard. But Haley fought as hard as she could. Denny played with her prey, took her time, relished the slaughter. Because of that, Haley was the one paying attention, she saw an opening, and used it to win. Denny's sacrifice was not as good. I'm sorry, but Haley didn't see an opening. It was pure chance that she "reached deep inside herself" and just happened to find the power to Dominate the Slayer that was next to Denny. Ok, I actually liked that part of the story, but then she, by pure chance again, happened to find the power to become omnipotent, there they kind of lost me... Deneghra is definitely pure evil, but it's not like that's her fault. Asphyxious literally tortured and brain washed her to become what she is today. Why does only Victoria get to catch a break? Cool, back to Haley. Haley didn't become omnipotent. She just gained a new extension to her already established powers. She already had time magic for a long time. I wouldn't be so quick to take away Denny's agency. And as her character has grown, she's been testing her chains. Denny toyed with her prey, and underestimated her sister, who is supposed to have power as great as her own. Haley discovered she could break a cortex lock because she hadn't tried until then. She'd never had to give 100%. Really, it's exactly like when any caster's gift is unlocked. A life threatening event forces out new, untapped power.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 15, 2017 13:08:22 GMT
I'm sorry, but Haley didn't see an opening. It was pure chance that she "reached deep inside herself" and just happened to find the power to Dominate the Slayer that was next to Denny. Ok, I actually liked that part of the story, but then she, by pure chance again, happened to find the power to become omnipotent, there they kind of lost me... Deneghra is definitely pure evil, but it's not like that's her fault. Asphyxious literally tortured and brain washed her to become what she is today. Why does only Victoria get to catch a break? Cool, back to Haley. Haley didn't become omnipotent. She just gained a new extension to her already established powers. She already had time magic for a long time. I wouldn't be so quick to take away Denny's agency. And as her character has grown, she's been testing her chains. Denny toyed with her prey, and underestimated her sister, who is supposed to have power as great as her own. Haley discovered she could break a cortex lock because she hadn't tried until then. She'd never had to give 100%. Really, it's exactly like when any caster's gift is unlocked. A life threatening event forces out new, untapped power. Well that was the original subject and we need to stay on topic Sure I get that, that's why I like their first clash. Denny was definitely over confident and it was a good time to punish her for it, but even if a new power was unlocked, it was accidentally exactly what she needed, though that is of course the case in many stories. And the second time it was also exactly what she needed, but also far beyond that. Instead of just getting a way to survive, she found a way to fully restore herself as well as gain a whole host of new powers. She is now at the pinnacle of time mage powers thanks to getting the power from her alternative selves, she even got some spells that she's not supposed to, i.e. Ghost Walk. She can literally see the future, revive the dead, pull alternative versions from herself from whatever timeline she pleases, as well as bend time around her to both strengthen herself and her army as well as weakening her enemies. What more does she need to be able to do to be considered omnipotent?
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Jun 15, 2017 13:55:05 GMT
Cool, back to Haley. Haley didn't become omnipotent. She just gained a new extension to her already established powers. She already had time magic for a long time. I wouldn't be so quick to take away Denny's agency. And as her character has grown, she's been testing her chains. Denny toyed with her prey, and underestimated her sister, who is supposed to have power as great as her own. Haley discovered she could break a cortex lock because she hadn't tried until then. She'd never had to give 100%. Really, it's exactly like when any caster's gift is unlocked. A life threatening event forces out new, untapped power. Well that was the original subject and we need to stay on topic Sure I get that, that's why I like their first clash. Denny was definitely over confident and it was a good time to punish her for it, but even if a new power was unlocked, it was accidentally exactly what she needed, though that is of course the case in many stories. And the second time it was also exactly what she needed, but also far beyond that. Instead of just getting a way to survive, she found a way to fully restore herself as well as gain a whole host of new powers. She is now at the pinnacle of time mage powers thanks to getting the power from her alternative selves, she even got some spells that she's not supposed to, i.e. Ghost Walk. She can literally see the future, revive the dead, pull alternative versions from herself from whatever timeline she pleases, as well as bend time around her to both strengthen herself and her army as well as weakening her enemies. What more does she need to be able to do to be considered omnipotent? I do think it was important to expand to a general discussion on different casters amd factions, because they're all we can really compare to Haley. And yes, Haley is really powerful, but she doesn't have an infinite reserve of that power. Projecting future and past greatly reduces her own magic strength (foc8 becomes 4). And she can revive the dead, but seemingly just in the context of the very recently dead (rewinding time by 10 seconds to before that storm lance died). I think the main issue is that chronomancy is a very specific type of magic with an immense amount of utility. It would be a good idea to have a story where Haley finds some hard limits to what she can do with it. The rules of time might be intricate and dangerous to deal with in the IK.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 15, 2017 14:23:39 GMT
I think the main issue is that chronomancy is a very specific type of magic with an immense amount of utility. It would be a good idea to have a story where Haley finds some hard limits to what she can do with it. The rules of time might be intricate and dangerous to deal with in the IK. That definitely sounds like it would be an interesting story line. For instance her arm could start to decay or something, just like she can't infinitely sustain the projections.
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Post by Ryilan on Jun 15, 2017 14:30:23 GMT
I think the main issue is that chronomancy is a very specific type of magic with an immense amount of utility. It would be a good idea to have a story where Haley finds some hard limits to what she can do with it. The rules of time might be intricate and dangerous to deal with in the IK. That definitely sounds like it would be an interesting story line. For instance her arm could start to decay or something, just like she can't infinitely sustain the projections. Maybe something along the lines of the Dahaka from Prince of Persia. Aka, she has messed with the timeline, something get's very pissed off because of it and now hunts her endlessly until it can get his hands on her. It would also serve to easily show if she's a Mary Sue or not. If she somehow manages to defeat this being, Mary Sue. If she dies, obviously not. Unless i am mistaken in thinking that Mary Sue's don't tend to die. Ryilan
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jun 15, 2017 14:35:50 GMT
And yes, Haley is really powerful, but she doesn't have an infinite reserve of that power. I hate thus sort of crap. Shes expanded her reserves of power TWICE now because she "Wills It". Whens her limit huh? Who says shes gonna stop? The writer can just pull another "Man isn't she awesome" shpliel and multiply her powers 100 fold! That's the problem when your just a authors pet with limitations depending on how the author feels that day.
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Post by Ryilan on Jun 15, 2017 15:01:44 GMT
An interesting thought popped into my mind. Is Haley now more powerful than the Harbinger? Because as far as i know Harby received alot of power from Menoth and to than have Haley be more powerful because... She's Haley? Wouldn't that point to her being a Mary Sue?
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Jun 15, 2017 15:08:37 GMT
An interesting thought popped into my mind. Is Haley now more powerful than the Harbinger? Because as far as i know Harby received alot of power from Menoth and to than have Haley be more powerful because... She's Haley? Wouldn't that point to her being a Mary Sue? Ryilan Well, Harby gets her power from a god. Haley gets her power from the gift, which is from gods.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 15, 2017 15:22:44 GMT
I say we kill all the haleys and make them join cryx! Problem solved!
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Post by Ryilan on Jun 15, 2017 15:24:32 GMT
An interesting thought popped into my mind. Is Haley now more powerful than the Harbinger? Because as far as i know Harby received alot of power from Menoth and to than have Haley be more powerful because... She's Haley? Wouldn't that point to her being a Mary Sue? Ryilan Well, Harby gets her power from a god. Haley gets her power from the gift, which is from gods. Except Haley is not being directly given power by a god. Think about that for a moment. Someone who has a direct tap to the divine is less powerfull than someone who simply has the gift. Even if the gift came from Thamar (I don't believe that was confirmed, but i could be wrong.), It's still not the same as being pumped full of divine power. Ryilan
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Post by catulle on Jun 15, 2017 19:54:04 GMT
"In the recent book 'Acts of War: Flashpoint', Stryker and Magnus are working together, cuz Magnus is presently working for Cygnar. Now, they're bust defending a Cygnaran city from a Khadoran invasion (which came from Khador breaking a treaty agreement, as always)."
Cygnar started the war in Flashpoint. It was a key point of contention between Stryker and Julius in the early part of the book.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Jun 15, 2017 20:04:41 GMT
"In the recent book 'Acts of War: Flashpoint', Stryker and Magnus are working together, cuz Magnus is presently working for Cygnar. Now, they're bust defending a Cygnaran city from a Khadoran invasion (which came from Khador breaking a treaty agreement, as always)." Cygnar started the war in Flashpoint. It was a key point of contention between Stryker and Julius in the early part of the book. No. Khador and Cygnar signed a treaty basically surrendering Llael to Khador with the specific term that if an heir to the Llalese throne ever showed up, Khador would cede the kingdom to them. Of course, Khador has been busy having all of the heirs assassinated, so they're fine with those terms. However, they don't know that King Julian and his spies have located a living heir (don't remember her name, she was in the book for a couple of pages). Julian plans to marry her, and she plans to accept if she will be allowed to govern Llael. So, it is revealed to Khador that this heir to the throne is alive, and that she will marry the King of Cygnar. Khador doesn't like that. That means that Cygnar basically owns Llael as a vassal state now. Khador breaks the treaty, as they always do. And back to war we go. Stryker thought this was a bad move because it was underhanded, but ultimately goes with it because the King says so.
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Post by catulle on Jun 15, 2017 20:07:11 GMT
An illegitimate "heir" - it was classic finding of a cassus belli followed by an invasion.
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