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Post by jisidro on May 31, 2017 11:25:19 GMT
You mean like giving all jacks Blessed inside a theme?
Not saying it'll be broken but I'm pretty sure all jacks in Menoth with Blessed is a huge leap in power for them.
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Post by pangurban on May 31, 2017 12:55:12 GMT
You mean like giving all jacks Blessed inside a theme? Not saying it'll be broken but I'm pretty sure all jacks in Menoth with Blessed is a huge leap in power for them. Again, that's only half the equation. You tell me what the theme gives, but you don't mention what it gives up in return. Now, maybe Exemplar Interdiction *is* too good (it seems to have the early Winterguard Kommand issue of making it interesting to play without the models it's supposedly centered around, anyway). We'll see how that goes. But if it is that's a problem with that specific theme, not with themes in general and not with model balance.
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on May 31, 2017 13:39:10 GMT
You mean like giving all jacks Blessed inside a theme? Not saying it'll be broken but I'm pretty sure all jacks in Menoth with Blessed is a huge leap in power for them. Hahaha, not if you ask the Protectorate subforum/groups.
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Post by elladan52 on May 31, 2017 13:55:35 GMT
You mean like giving all jacks Blessed inside a theme? Not saying it'll be broken but I'm pretty sure all jacks in Menoth with Blessed is a huge leap in power for them. Hahaha, not if you ask the Protectorate subforum/groups. You should take this discussion to the general themes thread. This does not relate to Tim Banky winning the SOO with Cryx.
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Post by jisidro on May 31, 2017 14:01:49 GMT
It could in theory grotesquely overpower any given model in it, as long as it adds a commensurate cost to playing the theme so the list ends up balanced (note: this would be bad design for several reasons and it's not something PP is going to do; I'm just supporting my argument).
My post related to this especially. Once again not saying the end result is overpowered but you have Fully Blessed jacks and all the support (minus the hieropahnt afaik), it seems like a huge increase in power of jacks in Exchange for free points that you won't take advantage of (assuming 100% BG lists like the Amon ones that immediately floated around).
To me, it seems like the exact bad design you talk about.
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Post by Ryilan on May 31, 2017 14:30:49 GMT
This is a friendly reminder to keep things on topic. This thread is for either congratulating Tim Banky or to discuss his lists, not to discuss theme's in general. There is a general theme thread for that, please do that there.
Ryilan
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Post by timtheenchanter on May 31, 2017 22:08:47 GMT
Not to get too off topic, but I also won MuseOnCon with similar lists.
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Jun 1, 2017 3:17:16 GMT
Not to get too off topic, but I also won MuseOnCon with similar lists. In case people don't know, this dude right here is Tim Banky himself, player extraordinaire. Maybe he'll chime in if people have questions?
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Post by warriorofiron on Jun 1, 2017 3:17:39 GMT
Not to get too off topic, but I also won MuseOnCon with similar lists. Congratulations! I have been unable to catch anything, what lists did you bring?
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Jun 1, 2017 3:30:23 GMT
Not to get too off topic, but I also won MuseOnCon with similar lists. Congratulations! I have been unable to catch anything, what lists did you bring? Care of Zosia Simpson: linky
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Post by warriorofiron on Jun 1, 2017 12:07:01 GMT
Congratulations! I have been unable to catch anything, what lists did you bring? Care of Zosia Simpson: linkySo same lists as the SOO?
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Jun 1, 2017 13:46:06 GMT
Care of Zosia Simpson: linkySo same lists as the SOO? Oh shiz, I misread! I thought you wanted his lists from the SOO! My bad, I don't have the MuseCon lists.
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Post by timtheenchanter on Jun 1, 2017 16:12:34 GMT
MuseCon Lists:
Champions:
Denny2 Stalker Stalker Deathripper Deathripper Wraith Engine Regrave Pistol Wraith Hellslinger Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Blackbanes (min) Revenant Cannon Crew
Agathia Ripjaw Stalker Stalker Deathripper Wraith Engine Regrave Pistol Wraith Hellslinger Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Blackbanes (min) Revenant Cannon Crew
Rest of the weekend events: (I paired this with Coven, but as the event had no D&C and the goal was to test bad matchups for WTC, I dropped one list all weekend)
Denny1 Stalker Stalker Deathripper Deathripper Wraith Engine Regrave Pistol Wraith Hellslinger Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Blackbanes (min) Revenant Cannon Crew
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Post by warriorofiron on Jun 1, 2017 19:14:28 GMT
MuseCon Lists:Champions:Denny2 Stalker Stalker Deathripper Deathripper Wraith Engine Regrave Pistol Wraith Hellslinger Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Blackbanes (min) Revenant Cannon Crew Agathia Ripjaw Stalker Stalker Deathripper Wraith Engine Regrave Pistol Wraith Hellslinger Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Blackbanes (min) Revenant Cannon Crew Rest of the weekend events: (I paired this with Coven, but as the event had no D&C and the goal was to test bad matchups for WTC, I dropped one list all weekend) Denny1 Stalker Stalker Deathripper Deathripper Wraith Engine Regrave Pistol Wraith Hellslinger Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Revenant Crew (min) with 3x Rifles Blackbanes (min) Revenant Cannon Crew How did the agi list play out? I saw her pop up on ADR and was curious how my khador forces would fare up because I wasn't sure if she could run a solid ghost list!
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Post by zich on Jun 2, 2017 7:25:29 GMT
Not to get too off topic, but I also won MuseOnCon with similar lists. Congratulations. If you're up for some questions, I'll fire away: Over here in Germany I've been seeing variants of Denny1 Ghost Fleet pop up that use a Kraken (and a 'node or two) as the battle group and forego the Wraith Engine. What do you think about this build? Does it require different answers from the WE + 2x Stalker variant? For me personally the conclusion is probably to take Rasheth into my pairing instead of Hexy2 (once I get all those Reivers painted). He has no RfP but pure volume of fire should hopefully do the trick. I assume the assassination is pretty much off the table with Castigate up?
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