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Post by michael on Jul 9, 2020 16:16:59 GMT
Oh man, I missed that opportunity. I should have said "You literally decimated me with your knowledge."
Rats.
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Post by sorokin on Jul 9, 2020 21:39:12 GMT
It's a bit like the online confusion around the word 'literally'. I don't think anyone's confused about the meaning of the word, I think they just carelessly use it wrong without thinking about it. At least, I hope everyone knows the actual meaning of the word... I guess that depends on the person and if they every though about how they used it. That being said language constantly evolves and dictionaries pick up new assigned meanings because when it comes down to it, speakers decide how langue is used, not the other way around. (And yes, my linguistics studies have imprinted on me.)
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Post by Havock on Jul 10, 2020 15:12:42 GMT
It's pretty well named; I mean if it hits it will probably kill you but it only hits 1/10 shots or something
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Post by shmeep on Jul 10, 2020 15:25:10 GMT
I don't think anyone's confused about the meaning of the word, I think they just carelessly use it wrong without thinking about it. At least, I hope everyone knows the actual meaning of the word... I guess that depends on the person and if they every though about how they used it. That being said language constantly evolves and dictionaries pick up new assigned meanings because when it comes down to it, speakers decide how langue is used, not the other way around. (And yes, my linguistics studies have imprinted on me.) I am literally inches away from calling down an airstrike on both of your locations.
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Post by sorokin on Jul 10, 2020 16:16:15 GMT
I guess that depends on the person and if they every though about how they used it. That being said language constantly evolves and dictionaries pick up new assigned meanings because when it comes down to it, speakers decide how langue is used, not the other way around. (And yes, my linguistics studies have imprinted on me.) I am literally inches away from calling down an airstrike on both of your locations. Now that's just literally rude.
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Post by shmeep on Jul 10, 2020 16:26:28 GMT
I am literally inches away from calling down an airstrike on both of your locations. Now that's just literally rude.
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Post by Valcaro on Jul 15, 2020 8:29:29 GMT
Soo there's new stuff to discuss:
Yuri seems to be useful, though not what I had expected.
Bulkhead is kind of... too slow for my taste (just keep your dudes outside of 7.5") and desperatly missing the shield guard rule imo. Also Character, so no Vlad2 shenanigans. Damage output is crazy though.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 15, 2020 9:22:08 GMT
Bulkhead has a POW20 spray OR two POW16 sprays? That's pretty crazy! Short range low speed and low RAT though, so... dunno. I guess he's a counter-punch piece?
Also, how is he harder to move than a clamjack?
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Post by shmeep on Jul 15, 2020 10:01:56 GMT
Bulkhead has a POW20 spray OR two POW16 sprays? That's pretty crazy! Short range low speed and low RAT though, so... dunno. I guess he's a counter-punch piece? Also, how is he harder to move than a clamjack? he's probably going to struggle to reach much of anything with that tiny threat range, but man, that output is a bit much. At least it's your own fault if you end up walking into that.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Jul 15, 2020 10:32:29 GMT
Not sure why Yuri lost boxes compared to his original self?
And given the Merc iron head I'd think the Mow dude could have 10 boxes.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 15, 2020 11:39:09 GMT
Not sure why Yuri lost boxes compared to his original self? Maybe he just got old? I guess? And given the Merc iron head I'd think the Mow dude could have 10 boxes. I'd be cool with that. I mean, I get that PP tries to maintain consistency to some extent; all MOW have 8 boxes etc. But then you have some MOW with ARM 16 and some with ARM 17. Sometimes shields are weapons, sometimes they aren't. Still, ARM 17 and a shield isn't bad. It's better than the Kovnik or the dismounted Drakhun, who both have shields - and funnily enough the Drakhun's shield is not a melee weapon, while the Kovnik's shield IS a melee weapon but has a point of POW less than Bulkhead's... BTW if I'm reading this right Bulkhead can slam a model then shoot it (or shoot something else)? The slam costs him his initial melee but not his initial ranged attack, right?
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 15, 2020 11:44:25 GMT
At least it's your own fault if you end up walking into that. I feel like his speciality might be clearing clearing engaging models off your jacks (or maybe off your high-ARM MOW)? He can spray off infantry or slam harder targets away (assuming your positioning allows it of course). Is that... is that a thing we actually need?
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Post by Valcaro on Jul 15, 2020 11:47:54 GMT
Not sure why Yuri lost boxes compared to his original self? Maybe he just got old? I guess? And given the Merc iron head I'd think the Mow dude could have 10 boxes. I'd be cool with that. I mean, I get that PP tries to maintain consistency to some extent; all MOW have 8 boxes etc. But then you have some MOW with ARM 16 and some with ARM 17. Sometimes shields are weapons, sometimes they aren't. Still, ARM 17 and a shield isn't bad. It's better than the Kovnik or the dismounted Drakhun, who both have shields - and funnily enough the Drakhun's shield is not a melee weapon, while the Kovnik's shield IS a melee weapon but has a point of POW less than Bulkhead's... BTW if I'm reading this right Bulkhead can slam a model then shoot it (or shoot something else)? The slam costs him his initial melee but not his initial ranged attack, right? That's correct, also the follow-up lets you ramp up that shooting threat a bit. Still there are quite a lot of "ifs". As Mr ChickenSlayer himself said on Discord, it's another (powerful) gun in the MoW arsenal which functions only reliably if you knockdown the target (mostly by himself if the target is somehow within 7.5") or with stuff like FFE.
You can argue, the Bulkhead is functionally a miniature chariot.
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Post by shmeep on Jul 15, 2020 11:48:18 GMT
At least it's your own fault if you end up walking into that. I feel like his speciality might be clearing clearing engaging models off your jacks (or maybe off your high-ARM MOW)? He can spray off infantry or slam harder targets away (assuming your positioning allows it of course). Is that... is that a thing we actually need? I missed the Dual Attack. He basically has a souped up version of Assault - he can (effectively) charge someone, and then open fire. 3' extra threat is a big deal when your base threat is 10' (scoot and shoot).
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 15, 2020 13:14:02 GMT
I feel like his speciality might be clearing clearing engaging models off your jacks (or maybe off your high-ARM MOW)? He can spray off infantry or slam harder targets away (assuming your positioning allows it of course). Is that... is that a thing we actually need? I missed the Dual Attack. He basically has a souped up version of Assault - he can (effectively) charge someone, and then open fire. 3' extra threat is a big deal when your base threat is 10' (scoot and shoot). I think that only works if you actually get a successful charge, so it doesn't have the same reliable range extension as Assault (although you're not limited to shooting at your charge target). At least that's my read.
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