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Post by Jabberwokk on Jan 24, 2018 20:53:30 GMT
Well, his arguments are pretty hilarious and guy is so blatant it hurts. I also believe Chosen were ok at 12/17 stats. Hope PP sorts it out. Since your voice is far more impportant than average Joes (which is only fair) I'm little hopeful. My voice is only a voice. It carries no more weight than anyone else’s. All the matters is that we work together to give good constructive feedback. Yes. The voice of a champion whose understanding and execution is tried and tested to be among the best in the world. It is wise to be humble, to not buy into one's own hype, but it is also a false humility to not acknowledge credit where it is due. The fact of the matter is yours does carry more weight /end of. I am however grateful for your groundedness and respect to fellow players as any champion should. Now with that said I'm going back to lurking. |
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Post by cainuslupus on Jan 24, 2018 20:55:18 GMT
Well, his arguments are pretty hilarious and guy is so blatant it hurts. I also believe Chosen were ok at 12/17 stats. Hope PP sorts it out. Since your voice is far more impportant than average Joes (which is only fair) I'm little hopeful. My voice is only a voice. It carries no more weight than anyone else’s. All the matters is that we work together to give good constructive feedback. Well, yes and no. Your excelent understanding of the game is proven beyound doubt but other Legion players should of course give good feedback. So maybe no more asking about Carapace on Chosen or Parry on Archangel, rather just show what's good and what's broken? |
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Post by gordo on Jan 24, 2018 21:28:10 GMT
Well, his arguments are pretty hilarious and guy is so blatant it hurts. I also believe Chosen were ok at 12/17 stats. Hope PP sorts it out. Since your voice is far more impportant than average Joes (which is only fair) I'm little hopeful. My voice is only a voice. It carries no more weight than anyone else’s. All the matters is that we work together to give good constructive feedback. Yes and no. I think it is fairer to say that your voice merely offers something "different" than other people's. They can see it as "suggestions from this guy may help us balance top tier competitive play", but that may not be their only goal. But knowing that things you say come from a certain perspective and also knowing that said perspective has the experience to back it up I imagine is very helpful for the devs. |
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Post by gordo on Jan 24, 2018 21:47:08 GMT
I imagine the lack of "holy crap that is strong" in this CiD is a factor of the following (in order of how strongly they factor):
1. Being one of the later CiDs, the devs and the players are more wary of power creep. Everyone is ticked off at the Battle Engine and Cryx CiDs as being too strong, so the devs are trying not to compound to problem and the players are trying to prevent it from happening again.
2. Being one of the later CiDs, many faction poster-boys got tired of waiting for an update and left, so there are less people clamoring for "good things" and less people testing. So we end up with the players testing as the ones who have already learned how to make Legion work for them, or who have just "gotten used to it". Case in point: someone argued that the Carnivean should be RAT 4 again because "it felt wrong for him to be able to use his spray". Not because it was too powerful, or made other models less desirable, but because they just preferred their models to not be good because they had gotten used to it. Stockholm?
3. Douchebags, know-it-all's, trolls, and amateurs. Nuff said.
4. The smaller scope of this CiD gives the devs less tools to work with, and many of them are just never exciting. Look at the utter lack luster response to the Rotwings. There simply isn't that much new going into this theme, and many of the ideas are flatly uninteresting. Really, why isn't Thagrosh 1 involved? I don't know if he needs fixing, but he's THE Ogrun caster. You'd figure they'd at least want players to test him and see how well he works in his own damn theme. The devs put this on themselves, much like they did with our weirdo themes during the theme drop. I still don't think they have a great idea of what they want Legion to be in Mk3, that or they just don't have much interest in actually doing much with us in the first place.
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Post by dogganmguest on Jan 24, 2018 23:47:46 GMT
3. Douchebags, know-it-all's, trolls, and amateurs. Nuff said. Hey look, almost the entire audience of the game. |
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 25, 2018 9:22:39 GMT
oncomingstorm you can't change the defensive stats of the Grenadier, as it is on the same chassis as the Hunter and Minuteman.
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Post by jisidro on Jan 25, 2018 9:35:05 GMT
oncomingstorm you can't change the defensive stats of the Grenadier, as it is on the same chassis as the Hunter and Minuteman. That's a non-issue. They are all very different in capabilities. |
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 25, 2018 9:39:12 GMT
oncomingstorm you can't change the defensive stats of the Grenadier, as it is on the same chassis as the Hunter and Minuteman. That's a non-issue. They are all very different in capabilities. No, it is actually an issue, please name another jack chassis in the game that has different base defensive stats among its variants.
A Defender and an Ironclad have very different capabilities, but they are both def 12 arm 18, because they are on the same chassis.
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Post by Hjard on Jan 25, 2018 9:52:20 GMT
Essentially: What Cygnar Guy said.
This might blow some people's minds but PP actually cares about the design and story behind their stuff. Hence changing the core stats of a single warjack type from a chassis is out of question for them. At least aside from MAT/RAT, as they are based on actually interchangeable cortices.
On the topic:
This problem is one of the reasons I stay away from CID. I can't handle the stupidity of many people "participating" in the tests. It's especially visible this time with the amount of people complaining about the Chosen not dying trivially to POW 10/12 guns and want that to change. Go figure! That's the whole point behind the unit...
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Post by oncomingstorm on Jan 25, 2018 9:55:38 GMT
That's a non-issue. They are all very different in capabilities. No, it is actually an issue, please name another jack chassis in the game that has different base defensive stats among its variants.
A Defender and an Ironclad have very different capabilities, but they are both def 12 arm 18, because they are on the same chassis.
Warpwolf stalker has Arm 17, Feral has Arm 16. Shadowhorn Satyr has Def 13, other 2 are 12. Warbeasts aren't warjacks, but a similar principle applies. I certainly don't see how you can argue for inflexibility in balancing the one but not the other. It's unusual, but I'm not aware of a hard and fast rule that all Chassis must has the same defensive stats. But, if you're so set on stats remaining the same across a chassis, the other two can certainly come down to 13... 14 is a ridiculous defensive stat for a light warjack - it's as good as the fastest hordes heavies, almost as good a griffon. It's particularly egregious on a model with dig in. |
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 25, 2018 10:12:35 GMT
No, it is actually an issue, please name another jack chassis in the game that has different base defensive stats among its variants.
A Defender and an Ironclad have very different capabilities, but they are both def 12 arm 18, because they are on the same chassis.
Warpwolf stalker has Arm 17, Feral has Arm 16. Shadowhorn Satyr has Def 13, other 2 are 12. Warbeasts aren't warjacks, but a similar principle applies. I certainly don't see how you can argue for inflexibility in balancing the one but not the other. It's unusual, but I'm not aware of a hard and fast rule that all Chassis must has the same defensive stats. But, if you're so set on stats remaining the same across a chassis, the other two can certainly come down to 13... 14 is a ridiculous defensive stat for a light warjack - it's as good as the fastest hordes heavies, almost as good a griffon. It's particularly egregious on a model with dig in. You could explain defensive stat differences in Warbeasts being down to the way they are trained, or the environment they inhabit, you cannot do that for warjacks though, they are made in a factory to particular specifications. You make a whole bunch of a particular chassis, and then bolt on whatever add-ons/weapons you want. It would make no sense for one to inexplicably have more armour, or be more agile.
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Post by jisidro on Jan 25, 2018 12:48:53 GMT
Following your example... the add-ons you refer to can be extra armor, or a different motive power or even just a different cortex... The Hunter has +1 RAT and pathfinder, the minuteman has AD and gunfighter and the grenadier has AD and dig in... They have plenty of diferences besides the weapons to balk at a change in stats.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 25, 2018 13:10:18 GMT
Following your example... the add-ons you refer to can be extra armor, or a different motive power or even just a different cortex... The Hunter has +1 RAT and pathfinder, the minuteman has AD and gunfighter and the grenadier has AD and dig in... They have plenty of diferences besides the weapons to balk at a change in stats. No extra armour is represented on the model, they would have to make a new sculpt |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jan 25, 2018 14:16:41 GMT
OMG Cygnar takes over everything! [/sarcasm] Seriously though. You have your own forum  |
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Post by jisidro on Jan 25, 2018 14:23:54 GMT
Following your example... the add-ons you refer to can be extra armor, or a different motive power or even just a different cortex... The Hunter has +1 RAT and pathfinder, the minuteman has AD and gunfighter and the grenadier has AD and dig in... They have plenty of diferences besides the weapons to balk at a change in stats. No extra armour is represented on the model, they would have to make a new sculpt I'll read that as a capitulation. |
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