Bias creeping up in CID

Seriously, PP has come right out and said they have posters whose feedback they're more prone to listen to. The screeching of the ones they don't doesn't matter except to annoy other readers of the forum.

Since people must play together and it is usually in a competitive setting it's everyone's toys.

Not saying agree with the rest of the list but I definitely don't agree with the output evaluation of the Woldwyrd or the Harpy. The Woldwyrd is has 3 shots which is great but only 2 boosts for it, it's main selling point is that if he sniffs an upkeep/animus he goes balistic. Fixing that would be fixing the purgation ability. The Harpy has 3 boosts for it's two shots which I feel is ok... perhaps the rest of the light chassis is a bit more luxury that it could be but for me it's too soon for me to call. The Charger has 4 possible boosts for 1 focus from an outside source, MAT/RAT 6 and POW 13 and it's either in need of a swift kick in the nuts or become the light standard and the Grenadier has been getting buffs and is now pretty amazing with POW 15 on the charge, 3 shots with the "quality of life" amazing upgrade and the number of trenchers available, 14/15 statline, AD. It is a focus hungry warjack and perhaps that will keep him in line. IMO the Woldwyrd/Harpy are *not* in the same category as the charger/grenadier.

As someone who owns 9 painted Chargers, I cannot get on-board with this suggestion...

1) that's a terribly long list.
2) that's an entirely different list from 6-8 months ago.

Is it just going to be a never ending cycle of waiting for current top dogs to get nerfed? <- rhetorical

Seriously though, I understand the answer to Over powered models should not be more over powered models. But what is the game to do? Are we expected to sit and twiddle our thumbs as everything in our faction is preyed upon by a certain game mechanic that is currently very powerful (shooting that is). If things go a little better for the infantry models in CiD, we will have a game into low pow and mid range ranged damage. It's the prevalence of really high quality ranged damage that still just clears of off the board. But that's not just a Legion issue. It's also not just Cygnar doing the shooting. As you stated, Vlad1 rockets. Ossrum and that Cricket battle engine. Etc, etc...

I'm not saying that Legion needs arm 20 carapace chosen to withstand shooting. I'm not even advocating anything like that on the CiD forums. This is strictly a moral dilemma I want to see the answers people have. Do we wait for the power models to get taken down a notch. Or do we advocate for models/tech to deal with them?

Shooting became pretty powerful and Ret got a release pack with quite a lot of shield guards. Farrow Valkries just came out as well. It seems PP is willing to hand out the anti-shooting tech. I'm in the group that we should just be given the options to deal with the problem. Whether we want to utilize it is our choice.

It's....really not a long list. It's like...0.1% of all of the models in the game, even if you include the 'maybe nerf' models. As for these models not being a problem a year ago...that's true for some of them - the Battle Engines hadn't gotten buffed at that point, nor had Dark Host, and Harpies weren't released, etc. However, many of the other models were definitely on my radar before that. Nemo3 has been an issue since the beginning of Mk3, he's just swapped from Stormlances to Storm Striders (and the list is probably better for it). Haley3 has been a very strong caster since Mk2. Vlad Rockets has been a thing forever...etc. Pretty much all of the models that are on this list WERE in fact on my list of problem models last year, though they were lower down - because PP has been doing a decent job of nerfing the worst offenders. 

jisidro - I definitely think that the Wyrd is overhyped, and that it's currently suffering more from 'being the only really threatening thing in Circle' than truly being overpowered. I think it could stand to go to 10 points, though. 

36cygnar24guy36 - the fact that you have 9 chargers in a faction with as deep a roster as cygnar should serve as an indication that they may be overpowered. It's one thing to spam, say, scarsfell griffons, because the other options are legitimately not good, it's another to run 9 of a jack in a faction overflowing with good lights. 

Personally, I think that all 4 of the jacks/beasts I listed have a negative impact on the health of game, because the amount of firepower they put out (and the difficulty of removing them) is just oppressive for their costs, and takes certain lists out of the game. If pressed, I'd rank them as Charger > Grenadier > Woldwyrd > Harpy, largely based on the level of efficiency they are able to leverage. 

As to how I'd change them...

Charger - ROF 2 > Reload (1). potentially reduce cost to 8. Lets it continue to be threatening, but also require most caster input before it starts taking massive chunks out of heavies and assassinating casters.
Grenadier - DEF 13, Arm 16, Pow 11. Make it a focused anti-infantry warjack, AND make it possible to remove with normal anti-warjack tools. Def 14 is fine for a dodgy close range jack like the minuteman, less so for a ranged jack like the Grenadier.
Woldwyrd - Cost 10. Make it just a little harder to spam, takes the fulcrum + wyrds combo from 'expensive' to 'do I really need this?'
Harpy - POW 12...maybe some other small buff. Currently it's just a little too effective at taking out hard targets, especially given the amount of focus efficiency in Ret. It can still control hard targets with push/KD, it's fine for it not to be able to kill them singlehandedly. 

FTR, I play Ret and Circle. While I have my biases, I am capable of recognizing when a model in my faction is above the curve and may deserve a nerf. I do wish that some players (and it does seem to by Cygnar and Cryx players moreso than other factions) could do the same.