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Post by W0lfBane on Oct 9, 2017 19:42:55 GMT
Obviously we need dward on a stick
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 9, 2017 20:27:20 GMT
I understand that our Weapon masters are good and we have more of them than anyone else. I understand that we have many good options and play styles. That fact doesn't fix our nearly unplayable Heavy infantry (cinerators and bastions) or other models. Saying "X is good so you shouldn't care that Y is bad" does nothing to help the game. No army has a 100% playable roster. I get that. But shouldn't that be the goal? All heavy infantry is lacking. We all want them fixed. I don't think I gabve, at least I never intended to, a blanket statement that everything was perfect and no change is ever needed. If I did seem to say so, I apologize. [edit] Obviously we need dward on a stick I would approve just to see how mad Cygnarans get.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Oct 9, 2017 20:44:11 GMT
When writing the MK 3 POM insider, PP themselves spoke of the choir tax as a design issue. it''s not imaginary. Nor is the fact that fire immunity is immune to most of our shooting, several of our feats, and one of our more pervasive defenses. Also, no one here has said "corrosion is fine". we don't do corrosion though, so we don't discuss it much. While I understand your issues with wishlisting, you seem unwilling to admit that there are unnecessary weaknesses all throughout the faction, and the beneficial offsets are often not quite there. Trolls are another victim of this. If all we do is wait for PP to hand down changes without speaking of our needs, Haley 2 and Stormlances would still be overpowered, and deliverers would still be POW 8 CRA. There is a distinct difference from a weakness and a supposed "unnecessary" weakness. I have yet to see anything in PoM as unnecessary. Nor in Legion. Nor Minions. Nor Cryx. Nor Khador. Circle however... I could make a list. I am in a positive mindset because I am coming from a gods awful downtrodden hatred of the game because I was playing a faction that no matter what I put on the table it never held a candle to the other side. The argument still reigns that WM > H. I have found absolutely nothing yet in PoM that I see as unbalanced or "weak" (taking into account the new CID changes. Deliverers were dumb before hand.) So I cannot fathom going from well balanced to outright insane with the amount of wishlisting. Add to that the blatant malice towards evidence, like you're not actually supposed to think of the interaction adding these rules would create. And again you are starting from a much more balanced perspective. I hate the crap people are crying to have happen in Legion because they are bonkers. They have no concept of what is reasonable. I understand there is a weakness to fire immunity. All but 2 Legion beats deal fire damage, I have a caster whose feat also requires things to be on fire. You might know him; he's a very popular topic here. But I am not going balls to the wall crazy over fire immunity. Yes, you have it a bit worse. But you clearly have a ton of power outside of it. You completely discredit your weapon master or battle driven, or BOTH, infantry. You are absolutely assured that you have no denial when you have boat loads and all of it is faction specific. You have themes that give some of the BEST bonuses in the game. Yet you are not satisfied. You are willfully clinging to your woe-is-me rhetoric and cannot set aside your bias of "It's not [this] so it's trash!" sort of mentality. I'm no fool. I can only imagine your judgements of me. But I can't begin to feel as depressed and sour about PoM as I do Legion. So, again, I apologize that my positive outlook on "your" faction is undesirable. I'll trade you my protectorate for your legion
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 9, 2017 21:02:40 GMT
I'll trade you my protectorate for your legion check bartertown or Ebay. I know there' plenty on ebay... everything but decent condition Archangels >.> I spent to much time painting all my crap to give up on it. though I swear I just suggested taking a break from your main faction and hopping to another for some time. It was part of like 3 different threads i was in. It's done me good, as well as others. Is that what you're doing with Legion?
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Oct 9, 2017 21:16:30 GMT
I'll trade you my protectorate for your legion check bartertown or Ebay. I know there' plenty on ebay... everything but decent condition Archangels >.> I spent to much time painting all my crap to give up on it. though I swear I just suggested taking a break from your main faction and hopping to another for some time. It was part of like 3 different threads i was in. It's done me good, as well as others. Is that what you're doing with Legion? It was a joke. I already have pretty much the whole faction. But no, I started collecting them at the start of mk2 as a second faction, they gradually replaced my protectorate as my main faction, and I've scarcely put protectorate on the table at all in mk3 because of it. Legion just feels so much more robust and rewarding to play.
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Post by greytemplar on Oct 9, 2017 22:08:12 GMT
It is about time Protectorate, and a few other factions, got non-character juniors. Cygnar's got 2 and nobody else has any.
I'd like a Scrutator junior and an Exemplar Junior please!
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 9, 2017 22:20:25 GMT
It is about time Protectorate, and a few other factions, got non-character juniors. Cygnar's got 2 and nobody else has any. I'd like a Scrutator junior and an Exemplar Junior please! Can I ask what's the difference from a character journeyman and a FA 1 junior? I might be missing something obvious... Also; Beast Mistress
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Post by greytemplar on Oct 9, 2017 22:40:22 GMT
Character restrictions would be the main difference between FA:C and FA:1.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 9, 2017 23:14:10 GMT
Also using two juniors.
The real reason people hate on the cygnar junior is the arcane shield thing: it ranks among the best defense buffs in the game and unlike other buffs carried by most juniors, it's not just for his BG.
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 9, 2017 23:36:21 GMT
Also using two juniors. The real reason people hate on the cygnar junior is the arcane shield thing: it ranks among the best defense buffs in the game and unlike other buffs carried by most juniors, it's not just for his BG. It would be less horrible if he had to keep the jack in CTRL to upkeep it. Being able to cast it turn one and stay in the deployment zone all game upkeeping AS on a SW/Hurricane is stupid and unintuitive.
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Post by Cryptix on Oct 10, 2017 0:22:32 GMT
The moment you do that you force every upkeep in the game to be control range only. Do you really want to do that?
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Post by greytemplar on Oct 10, 2017 1:25:11 GMT
Just give everybody similar tools.
I'd take a 5 point 4 focus Scrutator Junior with Defenders Ward and Immolation.
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Post by josephkerr on Oct 10, 2017 1:52:54 GMT
The only thing of note is in the real world people prepare for worse case scenarios and being over-negative is safer I dont see how. Also by the powers of generalization, over-positive leads to a happier life. Think Jackie Chan vs Woody Allen.
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Oct 10, 2017 6:01:39 GMT
The only thing of note is in the real world people prepare for worse case scenarios and being over-negative is safer I dont see how. Also by the powers of generalization, over-positive leads to a happier life. Think Jackie Chan vs Woody Allen. But if you always expect the worst, then you are never disappointed. If anything, you can only become happier when things do work out.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 10, 2017 12:20:30 GMT
I dont see how. Also by the powers of generalization, over-positive leads to a happier life. Think Jackie Chan vs Woody Allen. But if you always expect the worst, then you are never disappointed. If anything, you can only become happier when things do work out. Not sure if you're joking... Then you spend far more time under depression. If you think the worst and are negative all the time. That's not healthy. I live that life. I'd much rather be happy all the time and only upset every now and then. Because even as negative as I am; things can, and often do, get worse.
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