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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 6, 2017 20:58:49 GMT
On the topic of CID however, what existing themes are there to develop? Unless they start bringing in Exemplar Cleansers or Flameguard Bastions, I don't see what new stuff there is to add aside from Paladins. - Scrutator solos and/or units - Monk units and more diverse monk solos - More diversity in zealot type units (think armed with simple pole arms or some kind of thing) - Witch/warlock/grymkin hunters - Chariot battle engine that isn't a caster - More priests and priestesses of the flame with fire augmentation abilities - Alternate choir type or choir UA like the stone UA maybe one that buffs zealot type units - different idrian unit or solos to explore theme of the desert wastes - A second order of knights like templar vs hospitaler to compliment the exemplar order we currently have possibly focused on defense rather than offense - the theme of soul collection and guidance could us a lot of work and emphasis. More reclaimers possibly as a universal unit weapon attachment would be cool See 5 minutes of thought by a non game developer and there's quire a few ideas. The protectorate has lots of room for expansion. - Scrutator solos and/or units - Monk units and more diverse monk solos - More diversity in zealot type units (think armed with simple pole arms or some kind of thing) - different idrian unit or solos to explore theme of the desert wastes \ - Witch/warlock/grymkin hunters :::These I overlooked and would be especially cool. An Idrian light cavalry and something like Efaarit as wells a full fledged Menite Inquisition sound cool.- More priests and priestesses of the flame with fire augmentation abilities - Alternate choir type or choir UA like the stone UA maybe one that buffs zealot type units - Chariot battle engine that isn't a caster - the theme of soul collection and guidance could us a lot of work and emphasis. More reclaimers possibly as a universal unit weapon attachment would be cool :::Personally, I feel more applicable to single/supplementary releases and wouldn't be themes unto themselves, which was closer to what I was thinking of rather than additions/choices to existing ones.- A second order of knights like templar vs hospitaler to compliment the exemplar order we currently have possibly focused on defense rather than offense :::Isn't this one covered/will be covered by Paladins?
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Post by c0deb1ue on Oct 6, 2017 21:32:40 GMT
An anti-Grymkin sub faction to protectorate would be amazing as we are Menoth's peoples
Some sort of inquisition force that harnesses magic to fight magic or something...
They could easy do a whole idrian subfaction as well... lots of cool ideas in the Some of the recent posts
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Post by W0lfBane on Oct 6, 2017 22:04:20 GMT
Idrian light cav, paladin unit, better reclaimers are all overdue concepts that need to happen already. Im not really liking the inquisition idea that's what scrurators are for.
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Post by c0deb1ue on Oct 6, 2017 22:30:32 GMT
Idrian light cav, paladin unit, better reclaimers are all overdue concepts that need to happen already. Im not really liking the inquisition idea that's what scrurators are for. Then more scrutators... the phrasing is not really the important part We should definitely have some anti-grymkin themed shizzle, we are the bearers of Menoth’s will.
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Post by greytemplar on Oct 7, 2017 4:11:38 GMT
We are missing a 3 man unit of magic users.
Something like this,
Scrutator Conclave: Protectorate Unit
Unit Composition: Scrutator and 2 Vice Scrutators: 7 points. FA2
Scrutator: Spd6, Str4, Mat6, Rat5, Def13, Arm14, CMD9. 5 boxes
Staff of Cleansing: pow6 P+S10, 2" melee: Damage Type Magic, Blessed, Dispel: Upkeep spells and Animi on model/unit hit by the weapon immediately expire.
Special Rules: Officer, Call to Sacrifice[Friendly Faction Warrior], Battle Wizard
Magic Ability 8
Holy Vessel(*action): Range 6. Target Friendly Faction Construct model's weapons gain Blessed and Purgation for one turn.
Aura of Judgement(*action): Range CMD. Enemy models currently within this model's command range lose Incorporeal and Immunity Fire for one round.
Chasten(*attack): Range 8. Pow 12. If the spell damages a model, enemy upkeeps & animi on it expire.
Vice Scrutator: Spd6, Str5, Mat7, Rat5, Def13, Arm15, CMD8. 5 boxes
Staff of Power: Pow7, P+S12, 2" Melee: Damage Type Magic, Blessed.
Special Rules: Battle Wizard
Magic Ability 8
Immolation(*attack): Range 8. Pow12, Critical Fire.
Kindling(*action): Range CMD. Enemy models in this models command range suffer a cumulative -1 arm vs Fire damage rolls for one round.
Blessing of the Creator(*action): Range 6. Target friendly faction model may reroll one attack or damage roll.
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Post by Cryptix on Oct 7, 2017 9:21:51 GMT
As nice as the ideas for new units are, they should probably find a new home in case this gets shut down.
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 7, 2017 14:41:58 GMT
As nice as the ideas for new units are, they should probably find a new home in case this gets shut down. please tell me you mean the thread and not the boards.
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Post by Cryptix on Oct 7, 2017 15:05:42 GMT
As nice as the ideas for new units are, they should probably find a new home in case this gets shut down. please tell me you mean the thread and not the boards. Matey I don't think even Swampmist has the authority to shut down the boards without asking proboards first.
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Post by W0lfBane on Oct 7, 2017 18:45:47 GMT
We are missing a 3 man unit of magic users. Something like this, Scrutator Conclave: Protectorate Unit Unit Composition: Scrutator and 2 Vice Scrutators: 7 points. FA2 Scrutator: Spd6, Str4, Mat6, Rat5, Def13, Arm14, CMD9. 5 boxes Staff of Cleansing: pow6 P+S10, 2" melee: Damage Type Magic, Blessed, Dispel: Upkeep spells and Animi on model/unit hit by the weapon immediately expire. Special Rules: Officer, Call to Sacrifice[Friendly Faction Warrior], Battle Wizard Magic Ability 8 Holy Vessel(*action): Range 6. Target Friendly Faction Construct model's weapons gain Blessed and Purgation for one turn. Aura of Judgement(*action): Range CMD. Enemy models currently within this model's command range lose Incorporeal and Immunity Fire for one round. Chasten(*attack): Range 8. Pow 12. If the spell damages a model, enemy upkeeps & animi on it expire. Vice Scrutator: Spd6, Str5, Mat7, Rat5, Def13, Arm15, CMD8. 5 boxes Staff of Power: Pow7, P+S12, 2" Melee: Damage Type Magic, Blessed. Special Rules: Battle Wizard Magic Ability 8 Immolation(*attack): Range 8. Pow12, Critical Fire. Kindling(*action): Range CMD. Enemy models in this models command range suffer a cumulative -1 arm vs Fire damage rolls for one round. Blessing of the Creator(*action): Range 6. Target friendly faction model may reroll one attack or damage roll. Holy balls that unit is super strong and versatile for no reason
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 7, 2017 21:32:10 GMT
We are missing a 3 man unit of magic users. Something like this, Scrutator Conclave: Protectorate Unit Unit Composition: Scrutator and 2 Vice Scrutators: 7 points. FA2 Scrutator: Spd6, Str4, Mat6, Rat5, Def13, Arm14, CMD9. 5 boxes Staff of Cleansing: pow6 P+S10, 2" melee: Damage Type Magic, Blessed, Dispel: Upkeep spells and Animi on model/unit hit by the weapon immediately expire. Special Rules: Officer, Call to Sacrifice[Friendly Faction Warrior], Battle Wizard Magic Ability 8 Holy Vessel(*action): Range 6. Target Friendly Faction Construct model's weapons gain Blessed and Purgation for one turn. Aura of Judgement(*action): Range CMD. Enemy models currently within this model's command range lose Incorporeal and Immunity Fire for one round. Chasten(*attack): Range 8. Pow 12. If the spell damages a model, enemy upkeeps & animi on it expire. Vice Scrutator: Spd6, Str5, Mat7, Rat5, Def13, Arm15, CMD8. 5 boxes Staff of Power: Pow7, P+S12, 2" Melee: Damage Type Magic, Blessed. Special Rules: Battle Wizard Magic Ability 8 Immolation(*attack): Range 8. Pow12, Critical Fire. Kindling(*action): Range CMD. Enemy models in this models command range suffer a cumulative -1 arm vs Fire damage rolls for one round. Blessing of the Creator(*action): Range 6. Target friendly faction model may reroll one attack or damage roll. Holy balls that unit is super strong and versatile for no reason So they "synergy faction" shouldn't have stuff that synergizes? What you're worried about is, frankly, what PP seems to think we already have. The purgation bit is a bit much, but the rest is a set of abilities we've been notably lacking for quite some time, and I mean longer than just MK 3. Very nearly all of our shooting, nuke spells, and even half our feats deal fire damage: only us and legion are tied that closely to a damage typing. When cygnar gets to stop seeing past clouds and stealth I'll admit we don't need a nullification of our prime shooting counter.
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Post by greytemplar on Oct 8, 2017 4:29:14 GMT
It's not nearly as strong as you seem to think. He can give 1 warjack(or the Vessel of Judgement) Blessed and Purgation. Strong, but it's not even close to OP. The Vice Scrutators can, together, give -2 arm vs fire to everything that is in both their command ranges. But all 3 are rather squishy, with the Scrutator's only defensive ability being call to sacrifice. Again strong, but it's not even close to OP.
Aura of Judgement and Holy Vessel are the strongest abilities, but they are mutually exclusive since both are on the same model who gets 1 action a turn max.
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Post by josephkerr on Oct 8, 2017 8:01:08 GMT
He can give 1 warjack(or the Vessel of Judgement) Blessed and Purgation. Strong, but it's not even close to OP. Not OP? With two initials and 3 focus, a jack gets 10 boosts and blessed for free. A crusader with battle nearly one rounds an arcane shielded stormwall. I can see Blessed/Magic Weapon, but Purgation is a bit much.
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 8, 2017 15:04:28 GMT
He can give 1 warjack(or the Vessel of Judgement) Blessed and Purgation. Strong, but it's not even close to OP. Not OP? With two initials and 3 focus, a jack gets 10 boosts and blessed for free. A crusader with battle nearly one rounds an arcane shielded stormwall. I can see Blessed/Magic Weapon, but Purgation is a bit much. Just gonna point out that we can already do this. Scourge of Heresy and Barnd of Heresy are a thing, they're just shackled to our most thinly spread caster
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Post by W0lfBane on Oct 8, 2017 15:12:22 GMT
Honestly the purgation bit it too much and people will riot. The rest is just fine.
The other got that makes them really good is just the amount of versatile buffs they have and all of them can be useful. I doubt pp will ever make it.
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 8, 2017 15:58:56 GMT
Honestly the purgation bit it too much and people will riot. The rest is just fine. The other got that makes them really good is just the amount of versatile buffs they have and all of them can be useful. I doubt pp will ever make it. battlecollege.org/index.php/Eilish_Garrity,_the_Occultist
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