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Post by khadorjack on Mar 27, 2017 12:24:03 GMT
Well, one full unit of uhlans, 2 full unit of pikeman and the bears are 59pts, barely not enough to take one kovnik and 2 UAs. If you want to take one of black dragons, then you are 1 pt short. damn.
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Post by skathrex on Mar 27, 2017 12:31:08 GMT
If you want to take either Malakov or Great Bears you have to take both. Then you can take a Full Unit of Pikes and either Full Uhlans + min Pikes or min Uhlans + Max BD. The only way I see that List working.
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Post by Cryptix on Mar 27, 2017 17:27:11 GMT
I'm thinking of this list, just for the sheer ARM saturation. conflictchamber.com/#b31bhD0d0d9vhFhF8q7p81857QgdKhador Army - 75 / 75 points !!! Your army contains pre-release entries. (Strakhov 2) Assault Kommander Strakhov [+22] - Kommandos - Juggernaut [12] - Juggernaut [12] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4] Greylord Forge Seer [4] Greylord Forge Seer [4] Man-O-War Kovnik [5] - Destroyer [14] Assault Kommandos (max) [16] - Assault Kommando Flame Thrower (3) [6] Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16] - Man-o-War Shocktrooper Officer [4] Quicken goes on Kommandos, Invioliable Resolve on MOW boat. Forge Seers fuel up the Destroyer on the approach, and Kovnik gives it assault for 7" extra range. Since this list is more for scenario, I'm thinking of pairing it with Butcher3 or Vlad1 WGRC deathstars.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Mar 28, 2017 3:13:24 GMT
I finally caught up with this thread. Awesomsauce.
First off, @soulsamaurai, thank you for the math on Alexia. Wow. At this point, I can't quite decide on the best Last Stand target, though. So many options. Aside from Alexia... Kossites (bring Yuri), WGI (bring Joe), Nyss (bring Valachev), Kayzy (of any flavor).
As for Quicken...why has nobody mentioned putting it on Strak's unit? DEF 18 SPD 8 with either stealth or repo (and Larry and Moe get to a respectable DEF 15). And Pathfinder? If you're not then at least DEF 20 you're doing something wrong.
Invol Resolve...if it's not on MOW or Iron Fang, it really does seem tailor made for a Conquest. I mean, ARM 22 on top of all those boxes? I also think that the suppressing fire templates will syngerize well with his army. And Return Fire here is a great combo.
Oddly enough...Strak can make any of the themes "work", it seems. Folks have already talked LoS up, and that might be the best one. The WGI theme is nice because disposal POW 12 Last-Stand-Laden WGI is hysterical (and you get to advance move you jacks...who doesn't like that). Nobody has mentioned Jaws of the Wolf yet. And...how themeatic!
Just to prove it wouldn't suck:
War Room Army
Khador - Strak 2 Wolfpack
Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos - WJ: +22 - Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos (Cont.) - Conquest - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 22) - Devastator - PC: 14. (Or maybe a Destroyer)
Manhunter - PC: 0 Manhunter - PC: 0 Yuri the Axe - PC: 6
Kayazy Assassins - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Kayazy Assassin Underboss - PC: 4 Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5 Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5 Kossite Woodsmen - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
With Yuri, all your woodsmen can bully forests. A little positioning and you can get Last Stand onto ambushing Woodsmen. Everything in your army has Stealth or Prowl. Once your Woodsmen have exploded you have lots of other great options for Last Stand. The ARM on the feat doesn't synergies too well, but will still be quite useful on the Manhunters and Yuri, and the army will appreciate Tough. I'm really only missing Orin to keep the Conquest running (specifically against Stranglehold, which is a pain).
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Post by Soul Samurai on Mar 28, 2017 5:19:20 GMT
As for Quicken...why has nobody mentioned putting it on Strak's unit? DEF 18 SPD 8 with either stealth or repo (and Larry and Moe get to a respectable DEF 15). And Pathfinder? If you're not then at least DEF 20 you're doing something wrong. Does he need it? He has guns and he's not going to go charging ahead of the rest of your army, so he doesn't need the speed buff too much, and he has his own cloud wall (as well as the option of stealth) so he probably doesn't need the DEF as much most of the time. Meanwhile there's a whole lot of units that would love having it; pretty much anything that wants to get into melee really. I think you mainly just put it on Strakhov himself if you're sending him in for a last-ditch assassination, or you're up against an assassination gunline that ignores clouds and Stealth?
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Mar 28, 2017 5:23:02 GMT
Man thats Strahkov 2 for you. Just...OVERBRIMMING with options. I think he deserves a Rank of A at least from the Theorymachine. He may be completely different in practice.
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Post by skathrex on Mar 28, 2017 7:25:00 GMT
I have to say I quite like that Idea @armchair Warrior (somehow I can't link you) .
I am not sold on Yuri and the Manhunters (When the other option are Widowmakers), but I like the Kayazy. Not sure if the same thing wouldn't be better with Strak1. But that List is a HUGE anti-Gunline List imo. Tons of Stealth and a Colossol you can't or don't want to shoot.
Anyway has anyone seen Strakov2. I mean the physical model? Was it sold at Adepticon? Or any Battlereports?
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Post by Soul Samurai on Mar 28, 2017 7:44:28 GMT
There was a 3D render posted back on the PP forums before The Event. I don't remember where it came from. I do remember that he had no chin though...
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Post by skathrex on Mar 28, 2017 8:34:40 GMT
I know the Render, I am just curious how they look live.
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Post by Cryptix on Mar 28, 2017 12:13:05 GMT
Is it bad I love the card art, but hate the render?
Does anyone know of any 32mm metal gear miniature lines?
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Post by khadorjack on Mar 28, 2017 17:13:48 GMT
I will try this es soon as possible
Strak2 kommando buddies 1x juggernaut 1x marauuder
full MowST boat Full MowDM boat min mechs min mechs
forge seer destroyer Orin
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Mar 28, 2017 18:20:36 GMT
As for Quicken...why has nobody mentioned putting it on Strak's unit? DEF 18 SPD 8 with either stealth or repo (and Larry and Moe get to a respectable DEF 15). And Pathfinder? If you're not then at least DEF 20 you're doing something wrong. Does he need it? He has guns and he's not going to go charging ahead of the rest of your army, so he doesn't need the speed buff too much, and he has his own cloud wall (as well as the option of stealth) so he probably doesn't need the DEF as much most of the time. Meanwhile there's a whole lot of units that would love having it; pretty much anything that wants to get into melee really. I think you mainly just put it on Strakhov himself if you're sending him in for a last-ditch assassination, or you're up against an assassination gunline that ignores clouds and Stealth? Two words: Kara Sloan. Actually at ARM 15 and 17 boxes he's going to die to a stiff breeze, and his unit is DEF 13. Lots of stuff can see through clouds and stealth. Heck, even my Vlad1 gunline has Reibholdt and a Spriggan. Legion is like the Honey Badger, it just don't care. Even Skorne has your number with a soulward plus Sentinal or Mammoth... With Quicken I think Strak doesn't care...I think he's going to want to get work done With the AP guns. Oh...and regarding your bonkers damage calculations for Alexia1... I think all those arisen get to attack too before Alexia! Last Stand destruction occurs at the end of your turn not a models activation. So you can charge in with a truckload of weapon master grunts first...
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Post by Cryptix on Mar 28, 2017 18:41:33 GMT
Against an ARM 20 jack, they'll do about 2 damage each. You could realistically get about 12 + Alexia in on a colossal's front arc, so that's about 24 damage before Alexia's attacks.
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Post by skathrex on Mar 29, 2017 8:10:47 GMT
Aha Cryptix ! Someone didn't listen to the newest Murder of Crows Podcast! Change that Asap! No seriously they do an awesome segment about dice math, which explains that the Risen would probably do a lot more dmg to the Colossal because its not binary like with the "to hit". Dmg doesn't work quite in that fashion. And btw they are a generally awesome Podcast.
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Post by cygnarstronk on Mar 29, 2017 8:34:37 GMT
Yeah Risen+last stand make for some awesome little rockets.
I really like that spell on super cheap heavies like zerkers or maddogs, marauders even might like it but the zerker is just so cheap.
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