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Post by gordo on Apr 11, 2019 15:54:45 GMT
So what you are saying is "No, there are no good regular ole beast lists"?
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Post by gordo on Apr 11, 2019 13:42:44 GMT
No Thrones, no Gargantua... Does anyone just run landsharks and angel spam? I keep looking at the Landshark chassis and get frustrated, longing for the days of mk2 where I could run mostly beasts and be fine.
Nowadays I look at Circle and think "they just do it better".
Part of the reason I ask is because I've got that 'what if' itch that has me wondering just what kind of singular theme buff could we give to Legion beasts to make them worth putting on the table. But before I start wish listing, I wanted to confirm that this really is an issue.
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Post by gordo on Apr 9, 2019 16:45:21 GMT
Really, the plastic ones are gorgeous but nearly impossible to play with due to their absurd over hanging parts. Much like Neraphs and Seraphs. Easy play would require modifications, probably tall flight bases to ever be able to play reasonably. Then you would have to weight the crap out of the base or they would fall over constantly.
Or you could just play Primal Terrors and ignore all this entirely.
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Post by gordo on Apr 8, 2019 1:13:25 GMT
I magnetized mine, but since they are so light, when you put them in the table he magnets are strong enough to pull them. So be careful with your magnet strength.
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Post by gordo on Mar 25, 2019 12:45:03 GMT
The problem is that most Derp lists don't bring some of the "niche" tech needed to win. They have no anti healing, no anti tough, no anti magic, nothing to stop soul collection... Also every few months shooting gets worse as they release YET ANOTHER ultra cheap shield guard unit, each one getting progressively better.
So is the turtle still great? Yes, but thanks to the meta state we don't care.
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Post by gordo on Mar 11, 2019 15:23:57 GMT
That's why I recommended Elite Cadre.
But if it's not Rhadeim, then this allows the Warlock to have other rules to work with instead of just being the Ferox Dodge Warlock, AND have Rhadeim available to work his shenanigans.
From a fluff perspective, he'd also just be a Lesser Warlock at this stage, because he's reached his current rank without Warbeast control, and so would just be learning how to harness it.
Feat: House of Pain - all FF models gain Jump (around) and boosted attack and damage rolls after using jump. While not possible, the idea of Mammoths and Hydras bouncing all over the place has me giggling with amusement. It would be really crazy useful for Aradus, though. And then a Bronzeback with Rush and Jump? *shudder* Edited because I can't read, apparently
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Post by gordo on Mar 8, 2019 18:09:11 GMT
Honestly, I thought about Radheim, but I didn't want him facing a Zaadesh situation where he'd be one of the best solos supporting himself, but still cannot be taken. That's why I recommended Elite Cadre.
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Post by gordo on Mar 8, 2019 13:57:51 GMT
Why not Radheim2?
Untouched design space: Dragoon caster
But to answer your original question best:
I would consider the following things intrinsic to the ferrox kit:
Pathfinder Jump Mount attacks
Jump lends itself to a close combat, skirmishing or assassinating caster. Praetorian caster says he would have a "warrior" focus.
For spells, I would say Tag Team to emphasize working closely with his beasts but still push the warrior theme. Blur or Dash to help deliver. Bloodlust to tally cement him into hi pushing units.
Elite Cadre: Ferrox of some kind (if you went the Radheim2 route, make it Dodge).
14/17 but with Shield for +2, MAT 7, PS 15-16 on spear, maybe a weak Shield attack, Sustained Attack, Fury 5 but give him Bloodboon or Ritual Slaughter to lighten the fury load. You basically want him to be able to commit well to melee without entirely forsaking the rest of his army, but still need to make a decision between going all in on melee or not.
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Post by gordo on Mar 6, 2019 22:09:27 GMT
Zaal1 is also really really good in MoW too. Especially with Karax since they have combined melee with Last Stand.
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Post by gordo on Mar 4, 2019 22:07:53 GMT
Ok, so because of the way the theme is written, there's really only 2 decent casters for DoA:
Morgul2 and Morgul3. And both casters are absolutely better in other themes. So you pretty much will be ham stringing yourself competitively. Which is that is fine for you, I'd move on to consider one of the following two list basises:
1. Infantry based, using minions infantry backed up by Taskmasters, backed up by the very very good Bloodrunners. This usually boils down to, again, playing Morgul2 or 3. 2 is better, especially with his strong anti infantry feat and Mortality, but the idea of consistently blinding entire units every turn is very strong also.
2. Janky beasts list running all the crazy combinations of animii you can get, and simply accepting the fact that you will be playing significant points down. Given this approach, Morgul1 or Naaresh are your best choices. Given how Naaresh wants a big beast list, I'd say he is worse suited for this. Morgul1 however can really only boost a few beasts at a time, so I'd go this route.
I've played DoA many times with Morg2. It's super fun, mostly because of how awesome Bloodrunners are with him and how channeling through Blindwalkers and the combo of Primal/Rage on Incorporeal Archidons is.
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Post by gordo on Feb 28, 2019 14:36:04 GMT
I brought it where it already was. Die mad about it. lol, if anyones going to die mad its the person whos so obsessed in fighting political battles they take it to a toy soldiers game... the only difference between children's games and this game is a ruleset and the cost You realize "ruleset and cost" are freaking huge, right? Ruleset encompasses everything that makes a game a game (vs a story), including even the sociality if the game. Cost directly correlates to accessibility, meaning who can even play said game, and a game without players is nothing. Sorry. I won't engage in a political debate because they always end up being an argument just to win an argument vs an attempt to actually convince someone, but I guess I trigger when someone trivially compares WMHD to Candyland. I can't leave that one unanswered.
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Post by gordo on Feb 25, 2019 14:03:35 GMT
Some characters are available to multiple themes, such as Aptimus Marketh who is available in every theme except Disciples of Agony.
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Post by gordo on Feb 22, 2019 16:39:47 GMT
Wait, SHOULDN'T lessers be spammable? Like, they are cheap and FA:U for a reason. Shouldn't running multiple be feasible?
I don't think it's the Animus on them that is the problem. The problem is that they cost the same as a solo, do much less even with boosting, but still drain your fury reserves. Oh and their animii are usually so bad/niche as to be entirely irrelevant.
Have you noticed that the only semi recently designed lesser, the Crabbit, isn't a burning dumpster fire? They were never broken ever but every other Hordes faction was like "I WANTS IT, MY PRECIOUS". Because that's how awful the other factions' lessers are. (Not counting the Agonizer, but that's a given)
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Post by gordo on Feb 22, 2019 14:00:14 GMT
Exalted has lots of immunities, so there aren't a lot of horrific matchups but...
It has no answers for Ghost Fleet.
It has no answers for blessed shooting.
It has no answers for Take Down (preventing your own recursion for happening).
It has no Grievous Wounds to answer Excessive Healing
So I would make your second list address some or all of those things. There's more I'm missing but you see where I'm going with this.
Given all of this, maybe Makeda3 in Masters of War? You get Grievous Wounds, Take Down to answer Ghost Fleet, and doesn't rely on recursion (so cares nothing about Take Down). Blessed Shooting is still possibly an issue but if you run dude spam that won't hurt as much as it is rarely available in mass numbers of attacks
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Post by gordo on Feb 21, 2019 14:59:51 GMT
Word. I love Jarl Skuld's sculpt and fluff, so I play him a lot. I also spent the summer practicing Grissel1 because I thought she was likely to be underrated. I took her to a local tournament and took third place, I think. If a meta list looks fun, practice it with people who don't mind. I tend to stay away from the meta lists because I can outplay a lot of my local meta and combining that with a brutal list makes it very easy to tilt. If I want to practice a serious list I will bring another list and let my opponent choose which to play against as I don't enjoy roflstomping while giving an NPE. One trick I've read about for improving steamroller skill is to have a convention of always bringing pairs and discussing the matchups, then playing the one that seems most even to the two of you. You might end up getting a lot of practice with your off-list, but this game is all about the community. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS bring a pairing. The game as it stands right now is meant to be played that way. Unless you are just doing your first x number of games with a list to just get used to its rules and model placement, you should be playing with a pairing. And encourage your opponent to do the same. Playing matchups that would never happen will do little to teach you anything.
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