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Post by grimgor on Jan 4, 2018 12:14:50 GMT
I don't really understand why so much kolgranny in PoD, i tried a list with 4 heavy and croak and it's hard to crack things like bradigus or dreamer. And a lot of players are playing kolgranny PoD/ madrak BoH, they can't play these matchs, so i guess they count on their team to avoid these bad matchs. The caster is good, but i'm not convinced with this caster with that kind of list, i tried her in PoD and SoTN, and it was really better in SoTN with double champ/bears/fire eaters in my mind. And in SoTN you keep your assasination potential. The kolgranny's feat is a control feat that help for scenarios, and do we really need that with a PoD list ? I prefer borka2/doomy3 and 2 who are doing much for attrition game with their feat, but maybe doomy 3 is missing because of so much cryx/grymkin ?. Maybe i miss something about kolgranny in PoD ?
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Post by grimgor on Nov 25, 2017 18:43:22 GMT
What's your mind about playing this kind of list with borka 2 instead ? Dont you have issues with FE without pyre troll to flame them ? How do you do then ? I dont really like FE, i think they are expensive for what they do, they will always kill 2 or 3 dudes and then dying, and if they losed their fire, they are almost useless. I'm agree with you about the bears,i played against them, in ambush they are threatening 14", it's very scary, and in my game they almost killed my EDBT, that was very annoying.
For the lack of magical weapons, why dont just putting a sorcerer ?
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Post by grimgor on Oct 14, 2017 8:31:57 GMT
I really like the caster and i want to play him, but do we have a plan with him in this meta ? SoTN seems to be the obvious theme to play, but in the meta BoH is just better maybe. Can you confirm that the benefits with snow shroud have been replaced by a +1 to start ?
DO you think snow shroud useful ? I played a lot recently grissel 2 and with his very similar spell, it didn't help me so much. It seems to have some synergy with the few prowl models we have.
For me, i see his best strenghts with his profil, battle charged and attuned spirit. I'm not sure how good his feat can be as i never played him.
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Post by grimgor on Oct 12, 2017 8:48:57 GMT
I played the same PoD grissel 2 list with some success (just trade bouncer for DK and max stone), but i think gdnerd is right when he says that she doesn't solve the meta problems. I'm not sure this list can do well into cryx or cygnar. But against others tier 2 lists , she is very strong. Do you have an idea how to pair this grissel 2 PoD list ? And trollock, i think DK are good even with grissel 2, cause you can reroll a double 1 or a bad dmg roll, it's always strong to reroll a 2 1 3 for 5 3 6, it happened sometimes
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Post by grimgor on Oct 10, 2017 18:01:14 GMT
I played a lot against skarre, i feel like we can't win the attrtiton game, and the only game plan is KTC. But i never played gunnjborn into skarre, and you said the match was more playable than you thought, so i just would like to know if think u can winn an attrtion game against her or you just have the KTC for plan SoTN allow the axer but the not the dhunians, they are so important for you ? Gunnjborn is hard to manage with is fury, as you want to play guided fire all turns, and atleast replace the wall and ukpeep some things, that leave you with 0 fury, how do you manage it ? The runebearer might be a choice, but that's sad he would be here just for one more fury, but this could be important with gunnjbornn. The thing i dont like with gunnjborn is that the feat could be useless sometimes, and not as grim 1 and grissel 2, but i guess he 's here to prevent some matchups like denny GF, is that your idea ?
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Post by grimgor on Oct 10, 2017 14:25:33 GMT
Ty for your feedback and optimism. Do you think you can tech more gunjborn against cryx ? I was thinking about a KC with fire eaters, or a SoTN which allow to keep the axer in the list. This way you trade a heavy for double FE and a pyre and should lost some free points for solos. And do you still prefer a MK over a GK ? The +1 to start is sweet too against a bad serenity rule... ANd this should be very interesting as you said a lot of macth need to see a start first In 3rd match against skarre, do you feel you have an another match to play only on KTC ? Don't you consider grissel 2 PoD in your pairing ? I played her several times, i feel it as a strong caster, the feat which allow to reposition mean that you have almost double alpha on shootings, and the KTC potential is really good And as said big fat troll, how do you feel gunnjborn into vlad 1 ? Marauders should be a problem against the MK.
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Post by grimgor on Sept 28, 2017 22:24:41 GMT
Thx for your answer, i will certainlly try it
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Post by grimgor on Sept 27, 2017 11:17:59 GMT
In this kind of list don't u think a bomber is juste better than D&S ? His animus don't seems to be really usefull as guided fire is already helping to hit. His armor 19 and his shoot range are his best things, but a second shoot is maybe just better than all of this. But i never played him, what are yur mind about this ? Did you have good experiences of playing with him ?
A glacier king is certainly a really good thing for gunny, are you considering him ?
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Post by grimgor on Sept 12, 2017 19:04:39 GMT
At the WTC, you have 8 trolls players, that's logic there is more chance for cryx players (65) to be in a top 3 than the trolls. I agree that people plays cygnar and cryx because it's strong, but i believe too that a troll player who know very well his faction has a chance against people who are playing cygnar and cryx just because it's strong. I'm sure gdnerd who are making good results in tournament prove it. But, overall i agree with this global feeling of the article. One thing I will say, is that for most part, a skilled player of any faction can typically beat a less skilled cygnar player of any caster. This is not true for ghost fleet who wills stomp anything not specifically teched against it...and even then. Every one have teched against ghost fleet so... And i really saw ghost fleet players playing their list god mode just because they think they will beat every thing, and losing becasue of that...
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Post by grimgor on Sept 12, 2017 18:26:42 GMT
At the WTC, you have 8 trolls players, that's logic there is more chance for cryx players (65) to be in a top 3 than the trolls. I agree that people plays cygnar and cryx because it's strong, but i believe too that a troll player who know very well his faction has a chance against people who are playing cygnar and cryx just because it's strong. I'm sure gdnerd who are making good results in tournament prove it.
But, overall i agree with this global feeling of the article.
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Post by grimgor on Sept 12, 2017 9:34:53 GMT
In a way if there is more players of warmachines, there is more chances too that they can be top 3. The players win because they are good, give a horde faction to a same player that winning often tounaments, i guess he could be too on a top 3. I don't saying that trollock is wrong, but i think my argument can be a part of explanation. But i prefer the attitude of gdnerd, anyway if you won a tournament with trolls, the pleasure must be better that if you are playing a broken faction with broken caster
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Post by grimgor on Sept 7, 2017 6:38:40 GMT
Have you an idea on how to evolve your doomy 2 list with the incomming errata ? If you let it like this in fact this is 75 pts. If we can inculde minions, could you consider lanyssa ? Can you consider a doomy 2 / doomy 3 pairing in this meta ? As you played a lot this doomy 2 list, i guess you have an idea of the bad and the good matchups, can you tell me what are they ? With your pairing, you should have issues against full weapon master list, i think about strakhov 2, dark host, maybe zaal 1, can you handle them with doomy 2 ? As your 2nd list is too a PoD, you should have the same issues.
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Post by grimgor on Sept 5, 2017 18:21:41 GMT
I have a regular cryx opponent, i play often into dark host/skarre 1/denny 1. THis is really frustrating matchs, i tried the MK with grissel 2 feat, but he managed to kill him with a jack and 5 banes, what a shame lol.
For your doomy 2 list, do you consider a SoTN version with Rôk ? I tried to build a list but i don't think it's really a good idea as the free points are on units and not on beasts, and i'm not sure you want to play lot of units with doomy 2.
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Post by grimgor on Sept 5, 2017 9:38:15 GMT
Thanks for the write up Finally, do you think PoD is the best theme as you are playing 3 list with ? You don't have issues on scenarios scoring ? Could you explain why especially gunnjborn into cryx ? Most of cryx players play dark host/ghost fleet, and for me that's obvious they will drop dark host into trolls as you have a good answer to ghost fleet with gunjborn or BoH. And with gunnjborn against dark host you have a dead feat, i think grim 1 should be better into this anyway, and especially with the errata comming Finally do you think gunnjborn can see the match he want ? Or he is just a scarecrow that block the lists you dont want to see.
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Post by grimgor on Aug 12, 2017 8:34:46 GMT
They said in CID that he would not get sped up by it. models without immunity cold treat them as rough terrain, and he has immunity cold, and thus does not treat it as rough terrain and thus does not get the +2 SPD. Ok thanks for the answer, it should have been strong otherwise.
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