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Post by Havock on Oct 17, 2021 1:27:50 GMT
If it makes you feel any better, I also said Open Fire cost too much during the Armored Corps CID too. Nobody noticed because a dozen trolls were busy shouting conspiracy theories about how Suppression Tankers could assassinate any caster in their DZ during the first turn, and citing Venusian hypermath to prove (“prove”) that SPD 4 Shield Wall Shocktroopers could contest zones/flags 20” away by the second turn. :-P Another plus is CID being dead. The concept is great, in execution it devolves around certain more "present" individuals trying to make their faction "win" instead of objectively trying to improve the game.
It's also, honestly, no longer really necessary: they can ballpark a release, if nobody uses it: tweak it a little. If everybody uses it: tweak it the other way around. I mean, you have a living ruleset now, use it?
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Post by droopingpuppy on Oct 17, 2021 14:35:52 GMT
Well, it's not strictly related to Khador(usually considered as Cygnar one) but it's about CID and also it's allowed to Khador so I have to mention Morrowan Battle Priest. Who had participate the CID will know that Shield Guard on it was cut on the final week but the release version has Shield Guard on it AGAIN.
Hey, isn't the participant already warn that it is not so positive? And I still don't understand why the name is Morrowan Battle Priest. If it were Morrowan Martyr I may think twice, though. I bet that PP has zero idea on their intended role even on the day 1 of that CID as well. The suggestion can be made when they have a point, but for the priest they totally lacks it.
And, while someone might want their faction to win or trying to prevent the other faction to get the good sides, but not all of them are does I think. Sure I have seen someone did on purpose(I can't count who or how many for I can't remember that), but not everyone does.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 17, 2021 18:18:27 GMT
They are called Martyrs. After they die. You can't be a martyr when you're still alive!
Morrowan Prospective Martyrs?
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Post by Havock on Oct 17, 2021 19:58:55 GMT
Open Fire going to 1 makes Malakov practically a Better Harkevich is almost every way.
Escort beats Mobility (especially when you have pathfinder for free) and/or Veil of Mists and the feat is vastly more powerful.
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Post by hocestbellum on Oct 18, 2021 9:24:42 GMT
Most casters with a speed boost for jacks are a better Harkevich. I'd certainly take Malakov, Kozlov, and Karchev2 over him. Harkevich might actually be the worst Harkevich.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 18, 2021 10:22:20 GMT
So Hark's thing is shooting and mobility (pathfinder, speed, repo). So what if he traded Broadside for the new 1pt Open Fire, and traded Mobility for a cheaper speed buff; at that point people will probably still take K2 or something, right? So what niche could he fill? Maybe instead of handing out Pathfinder he hands out an even more powerful mobility ability, like Flight or Incorporeal or something?
I mean, Andy2 already does that, but in a very limited capacity. So... I dunno, what niche could there be when our ranged attacks are never that great? Buffing accuracy?
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Post by hocestbellum on Oct 18, 2021 11:51:28 GMT
His other thing was that when he came out I think he was the only caster capable of buffing the ARM of our Warjacks, and even then only via feat. Since his mobility schtick has been usurped somewhat, I'd quite like to see him impart some more resilience. And maybe rather than flat ARM he could go for something like Field Marshal: Auto Repair (Syntherion) to keep things ticking.
The other one, which I quite like as a fit for his supposed 'wolf-pack' style (although I think they changed his description between editions) would be Synergy. That's obviously quite a significant change, and potentially a very powerful one, but it would certainly set him apart
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Post by Havock on Oct 18, 2021 17:42:55 GMT
Mobility to Escort, open fire and Fiekd Marshal: Stabilizers. "Models in this model's battlegroup always gain the aiming bonus."
RAT 6 is passable and it makes the out-of-activation shots from OF and Feat at least useful.
Alternatively, Field Marshal Powerful Attack would do a lot towards running a ranged battlegroup efficiently.
Hark honestly just needs a tweak and a little spell rework, he's almost good but that goes for most of our bottom barrel.
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Post by MacGuffin on Oct 18, 2021 23:02:10 GMT
Personally I'm hoping for Guided Fire for Hark. Then I could live the dream of Grolar spam.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 20, 2021 5:27:38 GMT
Another change has been reported for Malakov2: he replaces Razor Wind with a 10" offensive spell that makes the target's front arc into a back arc for one turn (so they don't have a front arc). This means they can't make any attacks, such as Free Strikes. Also counters shields and bucklers, which is a nice little bonus.
Obviously this is great for Malakov because it makes his Backstab battle plan SO MUCH EASIER to use. Cutthroats just love him now. The whole "no Free Strikes" bit also plays nicely with his Repo as models can charge the target, then repo back and allow more models to attack.
I think this is a great buff for Andy, it synergizes with his toolkit and still mostly fits his playstyle of not just straight buffing or debuffing or even controlling, but rather finding interesting and sneaky ways to "cheat" the rules for a win.
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Post by hocestbellum on Oct 20, 2021 13:06:48 GMT
Oh, that's quite a clever spell. Stops anything that requires LoS, like Counter Charge. And even on its worst day it's a +2 to hit with all attacks.
If it costs 2 like RW, though, it gets much less useful on a F6 caster with 3 good upkeeps.
Hmm. On balance, I think I'd still be happy even at cost 2. I never cast Razor Wind, whereas I can think of a lot of scenarios where I would cast that. Thumbs up from me!
EDIT: Wait, for some reason I thought it only affected Warriors, which you don't say. If that affects any target then it's even better!
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Post by michael on Oct 20, 2021 15:46:32 GMT
Discombobulate is the spell Malakov2 has always wanted and that I never dreamed anybody in charge would ever consider possible.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 20, 2021 16:34:17 GMT
Wait, for some reason I thought it only affected Warriors, which you don't say. If that affects any target then it's even better! Quoting from Richie on Discord: "Discombobulate - Cost 2, RNG 10, AOE -, POW -, DUR TURN, OFF Yes - Both the front arc and back arc of target model/unit is treated as its back arc." And from Tenzilla: "I asked Faye in the other discord. No counter charge free strike ret strike defensive strike counter black garry2 feat, last word, sheild/buckler bonus, sheild wall. All goodbye." So it costs 2 and works on a whole unit. Honestly it would be insane at less than 2 foc. Bear in mind that other factions are probably getting the spell too; someone said 4 models in total will get the spell?
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 20, 2021 19:55:53 GMT
Just saw a quote from Faye saying that Kossites will be 7/11 with Backstab.
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Post by Havock on Oct 20, 2021 22:42:29 GMT
And clamjacks only lose their armored shell when attacking with their hands.
That stupid Feora3 list might be more viable.
Sprinkle a few kossites in there because incite + backstab = yummy.
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