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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 18, 2017 5:24:27 GMT
x.O; so what type of speed, efficiency, mobility, ease of use, or flexibility might you be talking about? In that situation, I was literally talking about cars. A Car can move faster than a bus, it can go to more places, and is easier to pilot. From the rest of your information, I see your flat out bitter. I have listed multiple times how a binary faction comparison is silly, with multiple examples, but you ignore them every time, in favor of binary comparisons to whatever you like under circumstances you prefer. You're also flat out bitter and wrong about Stats as well, maybe on some individual cases, but not on the faction as a whole. Iron Fangs, a Defining Khadoran thing, Vs a comparable Templegaurds. Templegaurd Have Comparable Defensive Stats (+1 Def, -1 Armor), -1 Mat, -3 Pow, have crit fire as opposed to crit knockdown, and have Set defense....But are also 4 Points cheaper. The crusaders Vs Juggers are similar. -1 Mat, -1 Str, -2 Boxes, and -1 Arm. But also -2 Points. And Khador doesn't have access to the choir. Now we can find individual cases where some things are better than other factions or worse. But I find your method of analysis very reductionist to an absurd degree, as well as illogical. I think we have reached argument bedrock, and none will change the others mind.
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Post by dicebedamned on May 19, 2017 12:16:51 GMT
Junior and Demonic, any chance you could open a new thread for your convo? It is interesting, but this is supposed to be about the Exemplar theme!
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on May 19, 2017 14:40:02 GMT
Junior and Demonic, any chance you could open a new thread for your convo? It is interesting, but this is supposed to be about the Exemplar theme! To be fair, I think we've tapped out Exemplar theme discussion for the next little while. I'm not locking the thread so the community can still chat if they wish, but do try to keep it on topic.
I get the feeling that we'll get more discussion when the theme itself goes up on War Room, or we get more information about what's in the Exemplar book.
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Post by Swampmist on May 20, 2017 4:12:54 GMT
on the last bit of Godless (I'm a fast reader sue me;) We better be getting Aegis and Decimus
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Post by SnakeEyes on May 20, 2017 16:32:30 GMT
on the last bit of Godless (I'm a fast reader sue me;) We better be getting Aegis and Decimus Yeah, would love those models. Aegis of Faith sounds like it would have Deceleration within x". Which would be great. Decimus just sounds like he'd be a badass Exemplar solo. On one hand, ugh, another melee solo. But on the other hand 1) it's an Exemplar and 2) hey, I know that dude!
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Post by Cryptix on May 20, 2017 23:15:41 GMT
So I played against this right now - getting knights into combat sooner is brutal, and Sorscha got assassinated real quick.
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Post by macdaddy on May 20, 2017 23:47:10 GMT
So I played against this right now - getting knights into combat sooner is brutal, and Sorscha got assassinated real quick. Caster?
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Post by Cryptix on May 20, 2017 23:52:32 GMT
Thyra. I didn't have nearly enough attacks and couldn't do enough damage, even on Sorscha's feat turn. I think the list was: Thyra - Blood of Martyrs - Castigator - ?, not sure if there was anything else 3 Units of Knights Exemplar Unit of Exemplar Errants with UA, presumably with UA Min Unit of Vengers 2 Exemplar Seneschals Choir
Not sure if that was the whole list, be sure to check me.
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Post by mrhlaine on May 21, 2017 7:08:33 GMT
No UA on knight exemplar units?
It's one of the major benefits of the tiereven if it's hard to get them really for free thanks to the awkward point costs on KE.
I think PP should up the point cost on KE to 10 and bring down the CA to 4, it will make ojr listbuilding much much easier (in tier at least)
2 ke units will give us a free CA straight away without having to had anything else
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Post by greytemplar on May 21, 2017 18:04:24 GMT
Nah, the UA just needs to drop 1 point. If you need to get the points to get the free UAs, just add a KE Seneschal. He's a solid filler to fill the points.
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Post by Provengreil on May 21, 2017 23:48:57 GMT
Nah, the UA just needs to drop 1 point. If you need to get the points to get the free UAs, just add a KE Seneschal. He's a solid filler to fill the points. I'd prefer they add a point of armor and a point of...points to Knights. battle driven then puts them slightly above above "death by pow 10" levels, making it a slight bit easier to deliver them reliably. it would also vastly smooth out the point curves in theme, at least to 2nd tier (10 point Knights, 10 point knights, free UA, free UA, errants, errant ua is 40 points. Round it out with cinerators and an errant senny, get one more senny of your choice free. hopefully a cinerator UA or Senny is coming.)
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Post by dicebedamned on May 22, 2017 12:13:45 GMT
I really struggle to deliver my Knight Exemplar, battle driven rarely does out. Much like vengeance, if my opponent is killing one of them, he is going to make darn sure that he kills the rest. Battle Driven on a 6 man unit is not all that great imho.
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Post by d3z on May 22, 2017 14:00:35 GMT
Depends on the caster I guess. HR, Vinny, and Harby deliver knights easily. The use of knights with at least those 3 casters are why the general perception of knights is pretty good, and why they won't likely get changed.
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Post by demonic on May 22, 2017 17:10:27 GMT
Your tarpit unit should be taking the majority of the early game hits, even the AoEs. Use Knight Exemplars like flying columns, a full unit on either side, and you shouldn't have any trouble delivering them. When your main threat is pushing up the center of the board, the majority of lists don't have the resources to take on both sides. It'll be nice once medium based infantry get a fix, but for now we should be focused on backing up our slow jacks with mobile tactics.
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Post by greytemplar on May 22, 2017 18:52:40 GMT
Battle Driven has been fine for me, though I wouldn't say no to Knights becoming arm16 base.
I tend to lose 2-3 knights on the approach per unit before they get their one charge off. Vindictus helps a lot with that of course.
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