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Post by hocestbellum on Jun 7, 2018 19:40:44 GMT
Here is what I am playing this weekend at a local SR I don't expect to win. List A will be my Sorscha3 list. You can find it in the Poor Man Una's Thread List B right now is this. I have to get off lazy ass and build some more democorps (I got a second box somewhere) but this should leave a dent..... conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0T77kXl5l28M7Ml0l6l67QgdKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Armored Corps !!! Your army contains pre-release entries. [Vladimir 2] Vladimir Tzepesci, The Dark Champion [+27] - Conquest [35] Man-O-War Kovnik [0(4)] Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard [7] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8] Man-O-War Bombardiers (max) [16] - Man-O-War Bombardier Officer [0(5)] Man-O-War Demolition Corps (min) [8] Man-O-War Demolition Corps (min) [8] Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16] - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer [4] A&H are there solely for the incorp. I hate dropping this into Cryx (Banes!!) but I want to go double AC this weeknd and....welll....Why not. (I may drop Altanas for Saxon. Still deciding cause Mechanics are ALWAYS great with Conquest - especially repairing a minimum of 8 points a turn. You have 59 points of MoW, and you can't get one more point without changing Conquest or A&H. That is downright infuriating! |
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Post by jonnyboy on Jun 7, 2018 19:46:34 GMT
Here is what I am playing this weekend at a local SR I don't expect to win. List A will be my Sorscha3 list. You can find it in the Poor Man Una's Thread List B right now is this. I have to get off lazy ass and build some more democorps (I got a second box somewhere) but this should leave a dent..... conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0T77kXl5l28M7Ml0l6l67QgdKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Armored Corps !!! Your army contains pre-release entries. [Vladimir 2] Vladimir Tzepesci, The Dark Champion [+27] - Conquest [35] Man-O-War Kovnik [0(4)] Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard [7] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8] Man-O-War Bombardiers (max) [16] - Man-O-War Bombardier Officer [0(5)] Man-O-War Demolition Corps (min) [8] Man-O-War Demolition Corps (min) [8] Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16] - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer [4] A&H are there solely for the incorp. I hate dropping this into Cryx (Banes!!) but I want to go double AC this weeknd and....welll....Why not. (I may drop Altanas for Saxon. Still deciding cause Mechanics are ALWAYS great with Conquest - especially repairing a minimum of 8 points a turn. You have 59 points of MoW, and you can't get one more point without changing Conquest or A&H. That is downright infuriating! Make the ST UA free and pay for the bombadier UA. That will be a 1 point bump :/ |
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Post by welshhoppo on Jun 7, 2018 23:22:08 GMT
Then swap conquest for Victor.
Boom!
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Post by chickenslayer on Jun 7, 2018 23:48:36 GMT
Yea. Cut for a Victor, pick up Valuechev as a free card and you get to have your cake and eat it too.
Gives you a better Trencher/Cryx matchup to, as long as you don't be an animal and take some Suppression Tankers
Also, can people remember that Spam is, at the end of the day, an exercise in optimised Math abuse. Please consider how to squeeze more efficiency in your list instead of just mashing the add unit button kthnx. Ideally usable lists are produced as a result.
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Post by Ganso on Jun 8, 2018 0:34:20 GMT
Also, can people remember that Spam is, at the end of the day, an exercise in optimised Math abuse. Please consider how to squeeze more efficiency in your list instead of just mashing the add unit button kthnx. Ideally usable lists are produced as a result. wut? you mean to tell me we're not just being silly here?  fine! Here's the list I legitimately want to play in Champions format (very important to keep this in mind!), haven't play tested it yet, so I still don't know if I want the Bombs, some Demos or a 3rd unit of Shocks (the repair models do tickle my fancy though) conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0T797p7sdHl5l4l4l3l3867Ml07Qgd7QgdKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Armored Corps !!! Your army contains pre-release entries. [Irusk 2] Supreme Kommandant Irusk [+27] - Devastator [14] - Kodiak [13] Gobber Tinker [2] Man-O-War Kovnik [4] Man-O-War Strike Tanker [0(5)] Man-O-War Strike Tanker [5] Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [0(6)] Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [0(6)] Battle Mechaniks (min) [3] Man-O-War Bombardiers (max) [16] - Man-O-War Bombardier Officer [5] Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16] - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer [4] Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16] - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer [4] |
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Post by chickenslayer on Jun 8, 2018 0:41:13 GMT
Well, I could go all Asian Dad on this list or bemone that you've put UA's on the Shocktroopers But honestly it seems fine. Nice and consistent, you've got people to stand in front of the Bombardiers to stop them meeting horrible ends and enough shooting to make people come into your guns. Have played similar lists in the past few weeks, they've been doing well. Only comment is you could change the battle group to Rager + Spriggan for the Flare, or change the Kodiak to a Juggernaught because I find you need a bit of extra Oooph to get over the finish line with Irusk 2. If you want to cut the repair guys you can make it a 28 point Battle Group and then chuck in Ragman or a second Kovnik to taste as well. But BMing people by repairing Tankers is pretty fun |
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Post by sand20go on Jun 8, 2018 1:51:33 GMT
Yea. Cut for a Victor, pick up Valuechev as a free card and you get to have your cake and eat it too. Gives you a better Trencher/Cryx matchup to, as long as you don't be an animal and take some Suppression Tankers Also, can people remember that Spam is, at the end of the day, an exercise in optimised Math abuse. Please consider how to squeeze more efficiency in your list instead of just mashing the add unit button kthnx. Ideally usable lists are produced as a result. If I owned a Viktor..... |
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Post by chickenslayer on Jun 8, 2018 2:15:30 GMT
Then grab your Destroyers and Clam Jacks, chuck in the Tankers so that Banes become a joke and go nuts.
Come on, we're trying to break the game here. No time for complaints. Or Restraint.
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Post by Netherby on Jun 8, 2018 6:53:11 GMT
What about...
[Vladimir 2] Vladimir Tzepesci, The Dark Champion [+27]
- Victor [34]
Man-O-War Kovnik [0(4)]
Man-O-War Kovnik [4]
Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [0(6)]
Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [0(6)]
Ragman [4]
Man-O-War Demolition Corps (max) [14]
Man-O-War Demolition Corps (max) [14]
Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16]
Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16]
Pairing Shocks with Demo gives you exactly 60 points of units. The second Kovnik could be Dragos if preferred.
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Post by Netherby on Jun 8, 2018 7:01:52 GMT
Does 'jack spam count?
[Sorscha 3] Kommandant Sorscha Kratikoff [+28]
- Berserker [8]
- Berserker [8]
- Berserker [8]
- Berserker [8]
- Berserker [8]
- War Dog [3]
Man-O-War Kovnik [0(4)]
Man-O-War Strike Tanker [0(5)]
Man-O-War Strike Tanker [0(5)]
Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [6]
Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [6]
Man-O-War Demolition Corps (max) [14]
- Sergeant Dragos Dragadovich [6]
Man-O-War Demolition Corps (max) [14]
Man-O-War Demolition Corps (max) [14]
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Jun 8, 2018 7:13:44 GMT
Here's a Vlad2 list I was looking at trying:
Vlad2 +27
-Destroyer -14
-Juggernaut -13
Man o War Kovnik -4
Man o War Suppression Tanker -0(6)
Man o War Suppression Tanker -0(6)
Saxon Orrik -4
Battle Mechaniks (Min) -3
Battle Mechaniks (Min) -3
Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard -7
Man o War Demo Corps (Max) -14
-Sergeant Dragos Dragadovich -0(6)
Man o War Shock Troopers (Max) -16
-Man o War Shock Trooper Officer -4
Man o War Shock Troopers (Max) -16
-Man o War Shock Trooper Officer -4
For the sake of this exercise you could drop the shock trooper UAs, Atanas and the mechaniks for a max unit of bombadiers with their UA. Or keep a unit of mechaniks and drop Saxon, which leaves a point to play with. At that point the list is probably better under Irusk2.
Cheers,
Dave
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Post by thirdorbital on Jun 8, 2018 12:25:02 GMT
Also, can people remember that Spam is, at the end of the day, an exercise in optimised Math abuse. Please consider how to squeeze more efficiency in your list instead of just mashing the add unit button kthnx. Ideally usable lists are produced as a result. Math abuse is why I think spam always comes back to the number of bodies you have. You're aiming for the magical tipping point where quantity becomes a quality. As I said earlier, 28 appears to be the mathematical maximum number of fieldable man-o-war, but getting to 25 or so is pretty easy. IMHO if you have a colossal and AH&V by definition that list isn't spam - you have ~16 points which could have been man-o-war but isn't. That's a whole other unit! It's probably a good fun list, but it misses the point of the exercise a little bit I think. |
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Post by Havock on Jun 8, 2018 16:40:30 GMT
Collossals add to MoW spam by virtue of them being beefy as well though. A&H just shore up a weakness so they are probably out if that's your goal  |
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Post by thirdorbital on Jun 8, 2018 18:19:38 GMT
Well 4 beserker chassis jacks have ~50% more boxes than one colossal so beefiness is debatable. There is something to be said about having a huge base and a good assail/superiority target though. You could do something like this and still hit my target of 25 steam dudes: conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0T78f8l5l4l3l27Ml7l77QKhador Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] Armored Corps !!! Your army contains pre-release entries. [Irusk 1] Kommandant Irusk [+27] - Victor [34] Man-O-War Kovnik [0(4)] Man-O-War Strike Tanker [0(5)] Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [0(6)] Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard [7] Man-O-War Bombardiers (max) [16] Man-O-War Demolition Corps (max) [14] Man-O-War Demolition Corps (max) [14] Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16] |
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Post by sand20go on Jun 9, 2018 4:48:56 GMT
Shouldn't the question be boxes? Or perhaps boxes x root of armor ;-)
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fine!
