Fire Step
Junior Strategist
Everyday I'm Wrastlin'
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Post by Fire Step on Aug 25, 2018 17:50:38 GMT
I feel like I'm alone in really enjoying the lack of a CID at the moment. Between the salt that gets chucked in our locals whatsapp group and the players who need to try out/discuss CID, it's a bit refreshing to have a break honestly.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Aug 25, 2018 21:19:04 GMT
I feel like I'm alone in really enjoying the lack of a CID at the moment. Between the salt that gets chucked in our locals whatsapp group and the players who need to try out/discuss CID, it's a bit refreshing to have a break honestly. Your faction has more than one competitively viable theme, so yes, I am not surprised that you aren't feeling a burning need for a CID.
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Post by gobber on Aug 25, 2018 21:35:26 GMT
Circle folks are definitely the hardest hit, and tharn CID alone ain't going to solve their problems. A combined thornfall/secret masters CID and a ret-style legacy CID for non-ogrun legion would quiet things down a lot.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 25, 2018 21:44:09 GMT
Circle folks are definitely the hardest hit, and tharn CID alone ain't going to solve their problems. A combined thornfall/secret masters CID and a ret-style legacy CID for non-ogrun legion would quiet things down a lot. Legion don't deserve anymore, Primal Terrors is borderline to outright BS!
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Post by gobber on Aug 25, 2018 23:46:12 GMT
Circle folks are definitely the hardest hit, and tharn CID alone ain't going to solve their problems. A combined thornfall/secret masters CID and a ret-style legacy CID for non-ogrun legion would quiet things down a lot. Legion don't deserve anymore, Primal Terrors is borderline to outright BS! I think that’s more anamag than anything...
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Post by Lord_Randall on Aug 26, 2018 11:14:02 GMT
Isn't Anamag but mostly Ammok...
Anyway PT have retarded durability, hitting power and accuracy. You can skew even more: -pick Kallus1 for embarassing accuracy -pick Thag1 for crazy durability -pick Anamag for degenerate damage numbers
How this abortion come out of CID is a mistery...
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Post by kuririnad on Aug 26, 2018 12:15:45 GMT
Isn't Anamag but mostly Ammok... Anyway PT have retarded durability, hitting power and accuracy. You can skew even more: -pick Kallus1 for embarassing accuracy -pick Thag1 for crazy durability -pick Anamag for degenerate damage numbers How this abortion come out of CID is a mistery... Just chiming in to remind everyone that "retarded" and "abortion" are poor descriptors, given that they are offensive and do not add anything to the discourse. Carry on!
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Post by jisidro on Aug 27, 2018 10:45:53 GMT
Isn't Anamag but mostly Ammok... Anyway PT have retarded durability, hitting power and accuracy. You can skew even more: -pick Kallus1 for embarassing accuracy -pick Thag1 for crazy durability -pick Anamag for degenerate damage numbers How this abortion come out of CID is a mistery... It's about to prove itself in the WTC. It was known and expected so lets see what it ends up pairing with and how it does. I'm especially curious about Harbinger, Anamag/PT/Chosen, Gravediggers with all the shooting and MOW that I thought was semi-dud but is everywhere. This is why I was hoping the Tharn CID dropped after the WTC and not before. Gives you a better idea of how previous CIDs did and how they impacted performance. Offers perspective.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Aug 27, 2018 12:25:44 GMT
I've yet to find a PT list I tolerate. But that's a playstyle conflict for me. I'm very interested in how well it does against the field of boogeymen. But the WTC is a bit skewed in perspective. Often you get the better match up for your lists than in a 1v1 tournament. So not only is the list powerful, it gets to pick the matches it has an advantage in. So the final numbers will likely be even higher
[edit] I thought this was the hot takes thread...oops. Oh well
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Post by jisidro on Aug 27, 2018 12:30:58 GMT
It's not easy to force a match-up, it's a lot easier and less costly pairing wise to avoid your own bogeyman. I'd say you get average matches in most WTC games. One important exception. If a certain list is seen as unbeatable it gets good matches because someone gets thrown under the bus and is likely to play dispirited. I don't think PT is in that situation (yet?)...
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Post by Lord_Randall on Aug 27, 2018 13:39:09 GMT
I've yet to find a PT list I tolerate. But that's a playstyle conflict for me. I'm very interested in how well it does against the field of boogeymen. But the WTC is a bit skewed in perspective. Often you get the better match up for your lists than in a 1v1 tournament. So not only is the list powerful, it gets to pick the matches it has an advantage in. So the final numbers will likely be even higher
[edit] I thought this was the hot takes thread...oops. Oh well
What I really dislike about PT is how trivialize most of the games aspect: -scenario is denied by hellmout with readily disposable armor buff if needed, on top on an army of durable medium bases -armor is denied by +4/+6 damage swing on top of hard hitting infantry -defence is denied by affective mat of 10/11 (lots of stakable buffs/debuffs) -control effects are denied by Ammok existance and vengeance Only viable approach against this kind of army is a gunline and even shooting can be mitigated with FoW or feign death, tough and naturally durable models like chosens.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Aug 27, 2018 14:35:05 GMT
Hellmouths are an annoyance but by far a permanent fixture. Punch monks are hard to remove in a different way. An Arm 23 clam jack is hard to remove. I don't see it as broken, just silly. I do not believe they should be free in theme but they definitively need to exist, in theme, and in the faction.
Pow 19 weapon master demo corp laugh at armor. Anamag is dumb (in the context of Legion) because she can make that swing without much effort (free spell and a feat). But that's +4. The last 2 comes from a 32 point investment. It got glossed over during CID but I will continue to raise the point. The blightbringer as support piece is the least desirable aspect of PT.
Mat 13 is stupid. But accuracy is an odd curve of probability. Against Def 12 what's the difference from having mat 9 and mat 13? Nothing, it's still "not double ones". Mat 9 is reasonably attainable with elite infantry and a innate ability, spell, or back strike. Yes, as Def goes up 15,18, etc.. that Mat 13 is really powerful. But again, there are lists that skew accuracy in other factions and themes that have gone unwavering because everyone believes Arm is better than Def.
Ammok is pwerful but again, not permanent. It's been said a thousand times before "scalpel out the support". Things like the choir have been cheap and provide massive utility. But die and don't come back. Ammok does have 8hp, so he's more difficult than choir. But try shooting the Man-o-War drago (or whatever is full name is). Similar difficulty.
All on their own they are nothing that breaks the game. I personally do not see them breaking anything when brought together when I know there are things out there like Armored Corp, Gaspy 3 slayers, Amon ad Raza, Harbinger, Maelok posse spam, <insert power list here>. PT just does the "powerful" stuff with or without it's caster. Is that a problem? I don't know yet. We will see.
But hey, I'll put my money where my mouth is. I'll hand off my Anamag and PT list and play against it myself. I'll see how it goes. I've got 4 factions I can play into it. How hard can it be?
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granor
Junior Strategist
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Post by granor on Aug 27, 2018 14:37:12 GMT
I feel like I'm alone in really enjoying the lack of a CID at the moment. Between the salt that gets chucked in our locals whatsapp group and the players who need to try out/discuss CID, it's a bit refreshing to have a break honestly. Your faction has more than one competitively viable theme, so yes, I am not surprised that you aren't feeling a burning need for a CID. It is hard to remember that there is an entire faction that hasn't gone through a theme CID yet (skorne) and there is still a faction with only 1 good theme (circle)
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Aug 27, 2018 14:43:13 GMT
Your faction has more than one competitively viable theme, so yes, I am not surprised that you aren't feeling a burning need for a CID. It is hard to remember that there is an entire faction that hasn't gone through a solo CID yet (skorne) and there is still a faction with only 1 good theme (circle) It's however unreasonable to make statements from a point of bias and discontent to attack someone else for holding an opinion. (not you Granor)
I'm no skorne expert but it seems their redesign went sort of well. The derp turtle seems to be quite crutch-like. But I'm unfamiliar; how are the themes are holding up?
Circle will be taken care of, but because they are last in line there is some conceived right to throw shade till kingdom come. That's not true. If legion was the last in the cycle I would have no right to pitch a fit day in and day out.
Also; to add to the list. No Farrow CID. No CoC CID. No Merc CID. It's BIG game and it's taking a long time to rewrite the books from start to finish.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Aug 27, 2018 14:48:32 GMT
Circle folks are definitely the hardest hit, and tharn CID alone ain't going to solve their problems. A combined thornfall/secret masters CID and a ret-style legacy CID for non-ogrun legion would quiet things down a lot. Legion don't deserve anymore, Primal Terrors is borderline to outright BS! I myself would trade all the Ogrun and the blightbringer to fix the massive list of casters and small-based infantry. But I know I'm an oddball.
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