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Post by igthorn on Apr 23, 2017 14:41:04 GMT
Was looking at your "example" lists and noticed an absence of Janissa in the "def skew calandra"-list. Wouldn't it be great to have def 16/18 on the heavies vs shooting/spells??
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Post by Trollock on Apr 24, 2017 8:39:42 GMT
Was looking at your "example" lists and noticed an absence of Janissa in the "def skew calandra"-list. Wouldn't it be great to have def 16/18 on the heavies vs shooting/spells?? Well, sure it would be good to have, but the list there has whelps (that are needed to manage fury and to buff def in melee) and two shamans (to completely block LoS to Calandra and the stone, the things that actually care about being shot). If they have to shoot my EBDTs i think im happy with that
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Post by gribble on Apr 24, 2017 9:32:38 GMT
Completely new to Trolls, but I really love the Madrak 3 model and would like to try and put something together around him. Inspired by the list above, I have put together the following:
Trollblood - King of Kings
Theme: The Power of Dhunia 4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Madrak, Great Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Mountain King - PC: 36 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) - Glacier King - PC: 35 - Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 - Troll Axer - PC: 10
Janissa Stonetide - PC: 0 Northkin Shaman - PC: 0 Northkin Shaman - PC: 0 Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4
Things I'm still pondering: 1) I *think* I'd prefer 2 x Mountain King... but unfortunately the extra point results in me playing 3 points down as I then can't afford either the Whelps or Runebearer. 2) The previous point could be (partly) addressed in that I'm considering ditching the Runebearer anyway... I could swap him and the Bomber out for Horgle and Slag + Pyre, or alternatively just the Runebearer for more whelps...
Any advice?
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Post by Trollock on Apr 24, 2017 9:46:26 GMT
I like that list a lot. Just be aware that scenario is a thing and you have no front line. You will have to put your precious pieces in harms way more often than you might want. Looks really scary though
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Post by gribble on Apr 24, 2017 9:58:35 GMT
Thanks! I was thinking that between the bomber, Mountain King and Shaman sprays, Glacier King and sniped Madrak bolts that I'd be able to weaken the front lines sufficiently before engaging that the two kings could weather the storm... so to speak... and then retaliate. The other thought is to use the Bomber as a sacrificial front line - draw in the opponent with a threat they can't ignore and then use the others to finish them off. Without any experience playing Trollbloods, I'm not sure how viable that is though. If you have any ideas about a good list pair to mitigate the weaknesses - especially one which reuses as many models as possible - I'd be interested in thoughts. I'm also really keen to hear thoughts about whether it's better to swap out the Runebearer for more Whelps - not sure if 10 is too many, especially with the Kings shedding them... but then I also question the value of 4 points just for one free upkeep a turn. I'd really like to fit Horgle in there with those 4 points... but then I need to bring either a Slag or Pyre which upsets the balance of the list a bit - as I said above the best option I can see is to drop the Bomber for one of each. But then I go back to thinking maybe it's better to just go for the Runebearer or more Whelps.
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Post by gribble on Apr 24, 2017 15:57:20 GMT
After reading Trollocks excellent advice thread, and playing around with things I like the look of, here's what I'm thinking about for a list pair to the above:
Trollblood - Flaming Lead
Theme: No Theme Selected 74 / 75 Army
Horgle, the Anvil - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 4 - Mountain King - PC: 36 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) - Dire Troll Blitzer - PC: 16
Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 Trollkin Sluggers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 10 Trollkin Warders - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17
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Post by Trollock on Apr 24, 2017 21:44:02 GMT
After reading Trollocks excellent advice thread, and playing around with things I like the look of, here's what I'm thinking about for a list pair to the above: Trollblood - Flaming Lead Theme: No Theme Selected 74 / 75 Army Horgle, the Anvil - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 4 - Mountain King - PC: 36 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) - Dire Troll Blitzer - PC: 16 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 Trollkin Sluggers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 10 Trollkin Warders - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17 How dare you blame this atrocity on me!? Seriously though. That looks pretty fine. Add in a chef for sure. Even if you do not always need him for Fury management, an extra DEF 14 model that can contest can never hurt Just came back from a short visit at game night, and i Played my Gunbjorn Scrum list again. This time in to Kallus 2 in the Oracles theme. Granted, playing Kallus 2 in to trolls is not a great idea, but the list was just bonkers. I had 4 heavies remaining and he had one light. Those EBDTs are just unfair, and D&S are incredibly versatile with gunny. If your plan is to shoot down heavies at range, a Bomber is preferable, but D&S have a lot of other great qualities. Doubt i would ever play them with non-gunnbjorn casters, but that doesnt matter right now. I can still warmly recommend the list to everyone. I played 2 units of whelps this time, and it was just glorious. I am totally in love atm
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Post by mattmcd on Apr 24, 2017 22:11:29 GMT
Glad to hear you were able to get a game in during recovery. Hope that keeps going well and look forward to trying out some Gunny lists in the future. Next week I'll have all of the models for my Calandra def skew list and I imagine Gunny is my next guy to build around.
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Post by gribble on Apr 25, 2017 17:31:23 GMT
How dare you blame this atrocity on me!? Seriously though. That looks pretty fine. Add in a chef for sure. Even if you do not always need him for Fury management, an extra DEF 14 model that can contest can never hurt Ha ha. I liked the idea of sluggers with Horgle, based on your advice, then figured that a blitzer would be just as good as a bomber in the list for the price, and more thematic. Didn't even consider a gobber chef. Wasn't looking at minions, but good advice, thanks!
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Post by LordStark on May 19, 2017 22:42:53 GMT
Hi guys I'd like to get your thoughts on my Ragnor lists
List1
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia
(Ragnor 1) Ragnor Skysplitter, The Runemaster [+30] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [15] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(4)] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3]
List2
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
(Ragnor 1) Ragnor Skysplitter, The Runemaster [+30] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [15] - Mulg the Ancient [19] - Rok [21] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6]
Is it absolutely terrible not having whelps or a chef in list 2?. Feedback appreciated!
Cheers
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Post by Trollock on May 20, 2017 21:40:04 GMT
At a glance, List 1 looks totally fine. I am not super in love with double bombers with no to-hit-support (i cant really count Ragnors knock down due to how dangerous it is to cast it) But it sure isnt a super bad idea.
I do not like list 2. It is basically still a PoD list that gets 12 less points. Not having whelps there will be a determent, and so is the min stone with no CA. Mulg and Rök are very good beasts, but i do not think they are worth the 12 free points you miss out on. Those 2 beasts could easily be 3 Maulers in PoD (though i would go with a few EBDTs mixed in) or you could get 2 maulers/EBDTs and get all the support you are missing instead.
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Post by LordStark on May 22, 2017 0:53:40 GMT
Sweet thanks for the feedback Trollock.
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Post by 3xhume on Jun 29, 2017 15:46:52 GMT
Bumping the thread. Trollock: is there any good alternative to madrak2 list, other than boh? Something that is beast heavy or pod? Or even out of theme. Grim Salvation does work on non troll models. I am considering madrak2 as a beast warlock.
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Post by Trollock on Jun 29, 2017 16:15:49 GMT
Bumping the thread. Trollock : is there any good alternative to madrak2 list, other than boh? Something that is beast heavy or pod? Or even out of theme. Grim Salvation does work on non troll models. I am considering madrak2 as a beast warlock. I have actually tried him with an all beast army before PoD was released. I won two games with it, but that was more or less by accident. He has some superb beast support in his field marshall and warpath, but FURY 5 holds him back, and you feel like you are wasting Blood Fury. I have seriously considered playing 3 shamans with the maxed stone to have a "full" unit to cast blood fury in. You can also include the chronicler to trigger Charge of the Trolls, for Mat 7 POW 13 weaponmasters. In the end though, i think other warlocks do it way better, because FURT 5 is too limiting, and you become VERY dependent on whelps. The list CAN be played for fun for sure though. It is just sad that you lose out on both Mulg and Rök, both of which are great with Madrak. Playing outside theme feels a bit sub optimal, but you could play a unit of Kriel Warriors or something then as your BF-target and have a couple of heavies too. It is not an auto loss in every match up for sure, but i do not think it is super strong.
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Post by allinontrolls on Jun 29, 2017 20:27:07 GMT
Like trollock said fury 5 is a pain for a beast caster. It's not only the low fury but also the 10" bubble for your beasts to stay in control of m2.
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