mazog
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Post by mazog on Jan 14, 2018 20:12:37 GMT
Every time I see double bears, double fire eaters, I squee. Jarl can launch one unit much further, though, and upkeep Pathfinder on a fire eater unit. I'm thinking Kolgrimma can clear jam better, even though that is a specialty of his. I may have to try this list, though.
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Post by ninjastars on Jan 14, 2018 21:12:39 GMT
Every time I see double bears, double fire eaters, I squee. Jarl can launch one unit much further, though, and upkeep Pathfinder on a fire eater unit. I'm thinking Kolgrimma can clear jam better, even though that is a specialty of his. I may have to try this list, though. Cool, glad you like the list! the thing is i don't know if you'd even want to move your units any farther up. If I'm mathing it correctly, bears and fire eaters can run 11 inches from your opponent's deployment zone top of turn 1. I don't think you'd want to get any closer. I do think Jarl would run that list well though. As would borka2.
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Jan 15, 2018 1:50:46 GMT
I played Kolgrima again today and won scenario on Spread the Net to a Thags1 Children of the Dragon infantry swarm. I think the game would have been a lot less close but I decided to try an assassination to see just how bad it was. I think if I played attrition I could have shut it out entirely a turn earlier but eh.
Still, her board presence issues and lack of good piece trading is giving me pause. If Cryx CID/Nerfs doesn't go live by LVO I'll probably play Gunnbjorn over her.
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Post by joetortillas on Jan 15, 2018 15:48:28 GMT
I'm bringing a double wagon + MK with Gunny this weekend at a local-ish event. Was pretty happy with one wagon + Mtk but decided to try one more wagon. Will see how it goes.
Paired with Madrak1.
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stibe
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Post by stibe on Jan 17, 2018 11:20:08 GMT
Played two games vs Legion yesterday, won the first, and I probably would have won the second but we had to wrap it up due to time restraints before we finished. My opponent was specifically testing CID things. First game I won 5-0, but that was mostly due to my opponent derping and not contesting two circular zones (MVP to Long Riders for Slamming 2 contesting heavies off my zone for the win). We decide to go for another, this time ge's got loads of infantry and the DVA caster (Belphagore etc). I kind of misread his feat and lost my MK after I went a bit yolo with it (but got good roll of damage into melded belph which was important later), if only just. Though he had committed his caster to killing the MK and the game would have ended pretty quickly had he not rolled pretty well. Also his opinion of Kolgrimas feat was something along the lines of "it's cancer", which gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside after all he's put my Grymkin through. All I really would like to get in this list is second Fell Caller, but it just can't be done so I'll make do.
Theme: Band of Heroes 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Armory - Steamroller Objective
Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch - WB: +28 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Mountain King - PC: 36 (Battlegroup Points Used: 28)
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 0 Trollkin Long Riders - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Trollkin Long Riders - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 2
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Post by Trollock on Jan 17, 2018 12:05:01 GMT
To me it seems like BoH offers the least synergy to Kolgrimma of any theme. What about it is it you like? Wouldt your list work as well or better in SotN (with the NK elder)? Is it just the RFP that you feel you need?
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Jan 17, 2018 12:07:34 GMT
To me it seems like BoH offers the least synergy to Kolgrimma of any theme. What about it is it you like? Wouldt your list work as well or better in SotN (with the NK elder)? Is it just the RFP that you feel you need? Yeah just tried playing around with it myself.
Because you want the cold stone you end up with a unit of Champions with Skaldi and then it gets tricky.
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stibe
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Post by stibe on Jan 17, 2018 15:05:08 GMT
It's a combination of things mostly. I bought a big lot of Trollbloods shortly before I went all-in on Grymkin, and just wanted a change of pace lately. I had two units of Long Riders and wanted to try those when they got buffed in CID, and back when I started playing Trollbloods it was 90% because of Mountain King so I wanted to include that as well. I think it asks interesting questions in Spell Warded MK, def 16 Champs (the counter to the clouds being Immunity:Cold, and anything that can remove clouds, when Madraks def buf can be ignored with Blessed), and the combination of the feat + slamming Long Riders is quite threatening scenario-wise. I have no idea how good it is, I just loved playing the list and will continue to experiment with it. Also, I much prefer regular Elder over Northkin one because it generally opens many more matchups, and my opinions on RFP are rightfully skewed because I've been running my Grymkin into Trollbloods/Skorne themes where RFP is plentiful and it's been the bane of my existence.
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Post by johnaa on Jan 17, 2018 21:23:47 GMT
I personally Think she plays great in BOH and this allows you to expand your second list to whatever you like
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Post by Trollock on Jan 18, 2018 7:55:42 GMT
I personally Think she plays great in BOH and this allows you to expand your second list to whatever you like What do YOU like about BoH with her then? Fennblades? Warders? or the RFP? Feels like if you do not use either of those, you are way better off in SotN...
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stibe
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Post by stibe on Jan 18, 2018 10:43:47 GMT
I try to always build my lists as Take All Comers, but of course in a 2-list format it doesn't have to be too extreme when your second list can cover for weaknesses. And if I'm going to a tournament, I feel BoH will answer many more questions than SotN.
...mostly it's me being cheap, SotN would probably be quite fun but I'd have to drop 100-200€ to make it viable and I don't feel like doing that right now as I'm having a blast with the list I posted earlier.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Jan 18, 2018 11:05:37 GMT
So I find myself at an impasse. I want to play Kolgrima as an armor cracker and have usually taken a beast brick to do this.
However infantry is clearly the way the world is going so Maybe I could run a list in SotN and one in BoH.
What do you guys think, which do you prefer?
Kolgrima (PoD) - Runebearer - Mulg - Brawler - Mauler - Earthborn - Axer - Winter Troll Max Stone + Northkin Attachment Dhunian Knot Shaman Whelps
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Kolgrima (SotN) - Runebearer - Rok - Pyre Max Krielstone + NE Max Champions Max Champions Fire Eaters Fire Eaters Bear Handlers Fell Caller Hero Valka Min Bone Grinders Gremlin Swarm
Pow 14 weapon master champs seem good. I would probably look to pair it with Madrak 1 in BoH in a 2 list pairing. The Madrak list would be my Cryx drop.
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Post by johnaa on Jan 18, 2018 13:14:18 GMT
I personally Think she plays great in BOH and this allows you to expand your second list to whatever you like What do YOU like about BoH with her then? Fennblades? Warders? or the RFP? Feels like if you do not use either of those, you are way better off in SotN... she he is able to deliver champs better, as well you can have a overall better battle group. Mauler/brawler mauler/ebt she has some cloud walls which can protect your army, cursfate helps a lot. Hunters mark allows her whole army to threat really far. I currently have max champs min champs min longriders max fenblades w UA max stones. W Ua mauler ebt fellcaller chron
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Post by Trollock on Jan 18, 2018 15:20:00 GMT
What do YOU like about BoH with her then? Fennblades? Warders? or the RFP? Feels like if you do not use either of those, you are way better off in SotN... she he is able to deliver champs better, as well you can have a overall better battle group. Mauler/brawler mauler/ebt she has some cloud walls which can protect your army, cursfate helps a lot. Hunters mark allows her whole army to threat really far. I currently have max champs min champs min longriders max fenblades w UA max stones. W Ua mauler ebt fellcaller chron I guess my point was that Champs and longriders exist in SotN as well, and with the NK elder, they are better supported there. But you think the Fenblade package is worth the switch? Raiders can fulfill a very similar job, and getting some bears in rather than the second unit of champs sounds great to me
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Post by grabsnikk on Jan 19, 2018 3:59:46 GMT
The only problem that I have with Kolgrima + Champs is that if they are B2B contact then their charge lanes are much restricted to what is directly in front of them unless you move certain models first.
This is where I think that Madrak1 is better with Champs due to Tactician allowing the Champs to move through each other.
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