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Post by theghost on Oct 17, 2017 12:44:02 GMT
I might be losing my gaming group because they consider that PP is only focusing on Cryx while they never get anything new. Is PP focusing too much on a single faction?
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Post by Gamingdevil on Oct 17, 2017 12:50:10 GMT
I might be losing my gaming group because they consider that PP is only focusing on Cryx while they never get anything new. Is PP focusing too much on a single faction? We had this discussion a few months ago when Cygnar got a CID cycle when "other factions needed it first". PP does the CIDs based on (sometimes unfortunate) release cycles, which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with favouritism. Legion and Khador are next to receive a spot in the limelight and they just gave one to Minions.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 17, 2017 13:08:35 GMT
I think people are a bit disillusioned as Cryx now have 6 themes compared to most other peoples 4, and they escaped any toning down of their most egregious aspects, whereas other factions like Legion (who are hardly terrorising the meta), even with Oracles) got hit.
PP are probably desperately hoping people will adjust to Cryx, as they don't want to nerf them after buffing them, as it makes them look like a bunch of incompetent morons
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Post by elladan52 on Oct 17, 2017 13:33:43 GMT
I might be losing my gaming group because they consider that PP is only focusing on Cryx while they never get anything new. Is PP focusing too much on a single faction? How many people in your group? Where are you located? Do you think there us anything you could do?
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Post by far2casual on Oct 17, 2017 13:54:03 GMT
PP are probably desperately hoping people will adjust to Cryx, as they don't want to nerf them after buffing them after destroying them, as it makes them look like a bunch of incompetent morons FYP. The Bane CID was a "we screwed up, we need to do something" CID, there was no release associated. This CID is just a normal "release" schedule, like there will be one for every faction. There were three "new releases CID" for other factions before this one, two others are planned afterwards. What's the problem ? Is it forbidden to give Cryx new releases now ? Also people should just stop moaning about things that make absolutely no sense, like the "number of Theme Forces". I know no Cryx player that is actually happy from the Scourge/Slaughterfleet split, which gives us less options than more. One Theme Force similar to Skorne Masters of War (who combines Praetorians and Cataphracts) would have been much more enjoyable.
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Post by tiberius on Oct 17, 2017 13:55:28 GMT
If that is their reason for quitting the game, it sounds like they are just looking for an excuse to quit and find something new. In reality each faction has a large selection of things to play and choose from and there are plenty of options for non-regulation game play in scenarios that you as players can make up. I mean myself and my meta had a lot of fun with warcasters that we made up via the iron kingdoms RPG and used our own factions as (I was a cryxian pirate, my friend was a protectorate paladin) the pool you pull your army from, with limits set by whoever is running your scenario. It added a new element to the game we really enjoyed.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 17, 2017 14:01:57 GMT
PP are probably desperately hoping people will adjust to Cryx, as they don't want to nerf them after buffing them after destroying them, as it makes them look like a bunch of incompetent morons FYP. The Bane CID was a "we screwed up, we need to do something" CID, there was no release associated. This CID is just a normal "release" schedule, like there will be one for every faction. There were three "new releases CID" for other factions before this one, two others are planned afterwards. What's the problem ? Is it forbidden to give Cryx new releases now ? Also people should just stop moaning about things that make absolutely no sense, like the "number of Theme Forces". I know no Cryx player that is actually happy from the Scourge/Slaughterfleet split, which gives us less options than more. One Theme Force similar to Skorne Masters of War (who combines Praetorians and Cataphracts) would have been much more enjoyable. Cryx were not 'destroyed' coming into Mk3, the problem was that some people who played Cryx in Mk 2 and won lots of their games were not actually very good, they were just playing a busted faction. so when Mk 3 brought them into line they were suddenly losing, and they preferred to blame it on 'Cryx is terrible now' rather than accepting they were just not very good to begin with.
edit, I am prepared to admit Cryx needed a bit of help in a few areas, but they were nowhere near as bad as people were making out, now they are too good again. It is frustrating PP cannot seem to find an appropriate middle ground for them
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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 17, 2017 14:22:08 GMT
Could someone remind what releases are supposed to follow this CID? I only remember Skarre3 and a smoke unit.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Oct 17, 2017 14:23:46 GMT
Yea, the first Bane CID struck me more as "These are okay but not great and we need a litmus test for the CID process" than "Man I love Cryx lets buff them". As others have said, since then they are release wave #4 for full CID releases after literally all of Grymkin, Trenchers, Northkin, and Blindwater. They have a higher number of theme forces but 3 of them have huge amounts of thematic overlap and should arguably be one, maybe two theme forces and actually makes their list building harder because they're put in to such narrow selections.
What factions do the members of your group play?
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 17, 2017 14:28:38 GMT
Could someone remind what releases are supposed to follow this CID? I only remember Skarre3 and a smoke unit. Off the top of my head
Skarre 3 Ogrun smoke Belchers - cannons that stop healing Ogrun Ironmongers Misery Cages - Basically gibbets holding people that give souls I think Scharde pirates - living pirates, have deck sweeper guns Scharde Dirge seers New solo that gives backstab to a unit (potentially Satyxis) Satyxis blood preistess new Bloodgorger UA
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 17, 2017 15:54:33 GMT
Sorry your local group is thinking of disbanding? What factions do they play? Between all the new themes, the Christmas and BE CiD, and the troll, minions, cygnar, and cryx CiD's I feel like everyone got a little bit of something. I think Cryx is getting some favorite child treatment and I agree 100% with 36cygnar24guy36 a lot of cryx players came into mk3 and whined because "THEY SUCK NOW" just like certain protectorate players moan about Harbinger. I hated playing into cryx in MK2 it was a miserable play experience. It was cryx that almost caused my brother to quit warmahordes entirely because he had to play against Bane spam every day. There were lots f things in the shoft to MK3 that got reigned in and IMO it was better for the game. The Dark host Cid overlooked 3 problem casters and the meta is abusing that oversight. For some reason PP finds it necessary to nerf Oracles but leave Ghost fleet alone entirely. I have this odd feeling that there is some head dev at PP that just really has a hard on for cryx and wants them to be super good. Right now they are above and beyond every faction in the game and tournament evidence has been showing that. The only other competition was Oracles and the dreamer and one of those was dealt with pretty sternly... If you take away Skarr1, Denny1, and coven from cryx, suddenly they are not an oppressive faction. Those 3 casters are ruining the meta...
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Post by smoothcriminal on Oct 17, 2017 15:55:34 GMT
They're not wrong about the attention. Cryx is the only faction that got 2 CIDs so far.
We got through Themecreep and now CIDcreep is the reality we live in. Up to you if you want to quit over that. To me it's not a gamebreaking issue as long as they continue to errata the broken stuff.
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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 17, 2017 16:00:24 GMT
I mean if they actually have that many releases, it only makes sense for them to be up next. It just rubs people wrong with Ghost Fleet looming over everyone that last few months in addition to there themes which, seem to many, are a cut above the rest.
So the lineup so far has been: Trenchers Northkin Gators? Black Fleet Blighted Ogrun/MoWs?
EIDT: I forgot about Gators. Guess they slot in after Northkin, before Black Fleet?
Guess I'll wait my turn like in GW days. Wonder what the Protectorate is gonna get down the line.
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 17, 2017 16:42:53 GMT
I mean if they actually have that many releases, it only makes sense for them to be up next. It just rubs people wrong with Ghost Fleet looming over everyone that last few months in addition to there themes which, seem to many, are a cut above the rest. So the lineup so far has been: Trenchers Northkin Gators?Black Fleet Blighted Ogrun/MoWs? EIDT: I forgot about Gators. Guess they slot in after Northkin, before Black Fleet? Guess I'll wait my turn like in GW days. Wonder what the Protectorate is gonna get down the line. I sure patience will provide us with a revelation.....
Though I honestly expect our first true protectorate CID to be exemplars. Based on how PP appears to classify a "theme", they're by far the most complete one in the faction.
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Post by Korianneder on Oct 17, 2017 17:15:24 GMT
Honestly mt.motivation for the game has dropped drastically. One of my main opponents plays Cryx. I have little desire to continue playing against ghost fleet or dark host with either of my convergence or legion. Partly because I know both my lists are going to do pretty bad against black industries. That means I have to play list chicken with cryx every time.
In mk2 I had a cryx list to deal with regular dudespam, now I need two cryx lists to cover vastly different matchups. For one list I need magic weapons, ranged rfp, and a caster that can't be assassinated. For the other list I need ways to deal with coven and massed banes which means I can't use heavies because they die easily and I need to not lose on scenario. But I can't use guns, which were my previous plan, because I can't kill arm22 heavies in the other theme. So I have to use melee infantry, but no-one does melee infantry better then Cryx. It's definitely a frustrating time for me.
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