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Post by narvt86 on Sept 14, 2017 9:43:21 GMT
hi, i own the conquest/victor model, and at 37 pts i like the conquest but i dont know 38pts for the victor really!!! i mean p+s 23 its rly good but rat 4 lol i mean 0. he have a really big gun on him pow 15 not high explosive i mean that thing have twice the size of the mortal but do less wow range 20 but u dont need to aim when you aim at rat 2, i know , i know you take him for his usefull aoe, well i dont wanna take a model to see if ill get lucky aoe, and his anti- flyer gun are a joke range 10 on a anti-flyer batterie come on at rat 4 again u wanna aim charge instaid. I just want your opigion about this model and his point ost etc... i am ok with it if he was 36 like many other collosal but i find him overprize.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Sept 14, 2017 10:06:10 GMT
Take it in wgk:
- it has artillery kapitan to fix scatter randomness a bit
- it has field gun/carriage to knock down a target to hit
- it has mortars to create solid saturation of scattering aoes
- it welcomes the destealth shell on heavies and rough terrain shell pairs up with carriage very well
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Post by auraco on Sept 14, 2017 11:53:21 GMT
I don't think it's worth it, the main gun is nice but a bit too random to be worth 38 points and the secondary guns are trash, low range low accuracy ok pow. It has the same melee capabilities as conquest but conquest shoots better without needing an extra 3 points solo to go with him. I've tried him a couple of times and was always disapoonted by the mileage I got out of him compared to the conquest.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Sept 14, 2017 12:01:50 GMT
I remember how back when he came out in MkII everyone was so excited about how much better he was than the Konquest. Funny isn't it, how much difference an edition change makes.
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Post by auraco on Sept 14, 2017 12:09:05 GMT
I remember how back when he came out in MkII everyone was so excited about how much better he was than the Konquest. Funny isn't it, how much difference an edition change makes. True, but at the same time, Victor was cheaper than conquest in mk2, and his secondary guns lost two range in the edition change while conquest gained high explosive and creeping barrage stopped being bad. Combine the rule change and the edition change a not every model transitionned well from one edition to the next. |
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Post by welshhoppo on Sept 14, 2017 12:21:16 GMT
And Conquest gained ROF2 on his nipples.
But yes, Victor really needs to lose inaccurate on his main cannon. And maybe up the power. And then gain some range on his smaller guns.
Plus D3 isn't that good and we don't have Bart in our faction.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Sept 14, 2017 12:27:13 GMT
My solution for Victor? Add dual attack on his guns. Done.
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Post by wendan on Sept 14, 2017 12:39:08 GMT
We have Hark! Two Broadsiding victors are really damned funny!
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Sept 14, 2017 12:55:57 GMT
I think they need to up the pow of the main gun.
Also the secondary guns need longer range. Cuz at their current range it's just better to charge
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Sept 14, 2017 12:56:45 GMT
We have Hark! Two Broadsiding victors are really damned funny! Funny, yes. Competitive, no. Victor fills a niche and you can shoehorn him into a list, but he's overpriced and he nipple guns are too short range to be of any real use. Unless you're shopping for the low accuracy Flare, your conquest is almost always a better choice. You're not going to get many rounds of shooting in with it...you simply can't afford to walk turn 1 and have 37! Points of your army so far away. No, Vicky needs a fix. I'd bump the POW of the main gun so that it's better than the mortar (Pow 17-18) give it Dual Attack, and keep the point cost the same. |
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Post by Soul Samurai on Sept 14, 2017 13:01:12 GMT
True, but at the same time, Victor was cheaper than conquest in mk2, and his secondary guns lost two range in the edition change while conquest gained high explosive and creeping barrage stopped being bad. Combine the rule change and the edition change a not every model transitionned well from one edition to the next. Yup, plus I think the transition away from Infantrymachine made his big flaming anti-infantry AOE less appealing. Plus of course the general changes that made Colossals less competitive compared to heavies than they used to be (Power-up etc). We have Hark! Two Broadsiding victors are really damned funny! Yes, I remember, t'was all the rage back in the halcyon days of the Second Age. Do people still play it, or has the sweet siren-song of repositioning Kodiaks pushed the poor pair into obsolescence? |
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Sept 14, 2017 13:52:33 GMT
SR 2017 had pushed *Hark* into obsolescence....
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Sept 14, 2017 14:01:36 GMT
I guess it really suffers from "I do effects only if I hit and Im really innacurate" Syndrome. Its main gun just can't do the Utility work a Colossal NEEDS to do (Especially as a Utility Colossal)
It was better than Conquest last edition because of how bad the Conquests Secondary weapons were and way more infantry.
None of the gun shots are all that great is the problem sans the fire.
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Post by wendan on Sept 14, 2017 14:29:31 GMT
Wait, you guys are telling me, with the increase of infantry on the table, that having 1-2 (or 2 - 4 giant pie plates of fire dropping a turn isn't useful?
I'm having a real hard time buying that!
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Post by auraco on Sept 14, 2017 14:39:34 GMT
Wait, you guys are telling me, with the increase of infantry on the table, that having 1-2 (or 2 - 4 giant pie plates of fire dropping a turn isn't useful? I'm having a real hard time buying that! Innacurate pie plate on an expansive chassis. Against infantry conquest covers way more area with 5 pie plate instead of just 1, That my main grip with the victor, while it's gun is sweet it's not sweet enough to overshadow the infantry clearing power of the conquest. Conquest doesn't need an ability to allow it to shoot more often to do a lot of work, these abilities are also limited to Strakhov1 and Harkevich and Strakhov1 really prefers the conquest as a reliable overrun trigger over the victor. |
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