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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Sept 14, 2017 14:44:04 GMT
Yeah. A Single Accurate AOE 4 Pie Plate almost always Beats a 90% inaccurate and random 5 Inch AOE. And the Conquest can either put out 3 4 Inch AOEs or 1 4 Inch and 4 3 Inch AOEs.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Sept 14, 2017 15:29:36 GMT
Wait, you guys are telling me, with the increase of infantry on the table, that having 1-2 (or 2 - 4 giant pie plates of fire dropping a turn isn't useful? I said no such thing. In fact, I said nothing at all! I do not make statements, only suggest ideas and ask questions, that way I'm not accountable for anything I say! MWAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
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Post by tesoe on Sept 14, 2017 15:48:21 GMT
So what you're saying is Conquest needs a nerf if we're expected to bring Victor.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Sept 14, 2017 16:03:44 GMT
So what you're saying is Conquest needs a nerf if we're expected to bring Victor. Nah. The Victors design isn't that great. The question to ask about if something overpowered is lowering the value of something else is: "If X didn't exist would I take Y?" If the conquest wouldn't exist I would still struggle to fit in Victor.
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Post by auraco on Sept 14, 2017 16:06:51 GMT
38 points for a very innacurate gun and mostly irreleveant secondary gun is a lot of pay, it goes up to 41 points if you want to field an artillery kapitan to make the mortar semi reliable, but at this point 41 point is probably way to much for only a semi reliable 5'' aoe.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Sept 14, 2017 16:18:41 GMT
Sure Conquest is nice and all, but Victor+kapitan is our only option of long range destealth. Beggars can't be choosers.
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Post by welshhoppo on Sept 14, 2017 16:22:25 GMT
Sure Conquest is nice and all, but Victor+kapitan is our only option of long range destealth. Beggars can't be choosers. Ignore me. I'm a tired pleb.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Sept 14, 2017 16:51:28 GMT
Sure Conquest is nice and all, but Victor+kapitan is our only option of long range destealth. Beggars can't be choosers. Sprigains better at it. Because its 100% reliable
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Post by auraco on Sept 14, 2017 16:57:00 GMT
The thing with Victor and the stealth removing, is that it's not a reliable way to remove stealth from long range, even with an artillery kapitan it's at best 75% chances of doing it, but 75% for 41 point doesn't seem that good to me...
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Sept 14, 2017 18:20:28 GMT
The thing with Victor and the stealth removing, is that it's not a reliable way to remove stealth from long range, even with an artillery kapitanOn top it's at best 75% chances of doing it, but 75% for 41 point doesn't seem that good to me... On top of that its pretty likely to just KILL whats underneath anyway if its stealth Infantry (The primary stealth Target in general) so your better off just setting them on fire and be done with it.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Sept 14, 2017 18:38:33 GMT
Do we need long range stealth removal? Honest question. I can see that the Spriggan will have a hard time getting far ahead enough to de-stealth something for, like, rifle core. I guess if you have advanced move from wgk or something, and a speed buff, then he's just about fast enough? (4" ahead plus 12" runs plus 6" walk plus 10" flare, vs. 12" run plus 6" walk plus 14" shots).
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Sept 14, 2017 18:54:52 GMT
Do we need long range stealth removal? Honest question. Yes. Because the question isn't how far ahead you can get your stealth remover but how safe you can keep it from retailiation. Also close up stealth removers make shooting the de-stealth ed more difficult. Not saying Khador DESERVES a Stealth Remover or needs it to function properly, Im just saying that long range stealth removers are good.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Sept 14, 2017 20:27:01 GMT
I guess in that case Reposition or Energizer (or Overrun I suppose) can help maintain the desired distance.
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Post by narvt86 on Sept 14, 2017 20:41:18 GMT
if you compare it with other colossal the victor is almost 2 point more expensive for not reliable weaponery but I get hit p+s 23, more hit box so the victor with the conquest are build like many other khador jack 4 melee, if that so why u bother putting bad range weapon on hit add a shield (shield guard ) instead, more speed like other colossal with speed 5, hyper agressive lol i dont know. because if other are more focus on utility or range and that are their strenght good 4 them but dont try to make a jack of all trade master of none at 38 pts
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Post by smoothcriminal on Sept 14, 2017 23:10:05 GMT
Sprigains better at it. Because its 100% reliable Spriggan isn't exactly a good model itself. I'd take Victor over Spriggan+something.
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