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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Mar 30, 2017 2:17:07 GMT
The funny thing is that I agree with you on nearly every point and principle.
MKIII is WAY better then MKII, CID is going pretty amazing with PP taking chances and being conservative in places I did not believe they would.
My only difference with you is I prefer to be BOTH. To me it's important to communicate. I won't say I don't have my own limits.
But I don't see myself as an arbiter for what other people should be allowed to say even If I heavily dislike it. I find it more important to engage with those people especially.
Edit: Just to be clear I think FA: 1 is a terrible idea. I think it could bankrupt the company singlehandedly. Something among the lines of paid mods.
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Post by Cryptix on Mar 30, 2017 2:27:59 GMT
Gah, is there anyway to unsubscribe from threads? Seeing you argue is annoying me, and you keep popping up in my participated.
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zich
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Post by zich on Mar 30, 2017 5:29:14 GMT
You can set a thread as "read forever" or ignore individual posters.
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Post by malnorma on Mar 30, 2017 6:08:38 GMT
For anyone looking for that 'read forever' option, it appears you can only see it by selecting threads in the main index, and at least one of them has to be currently marked unread. Thanks zich.
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Post by unded on Mar 30, 2017 9:08:59 GMT
Minor reason if you ask me. Sentry stones is the big one. The hellmouth is in the same boat and it's being passed over for theme lists. I think the power of the theme lists is the biggest factor here. As someone playing both Circle and Legion, I think you're underestimating the value of the sentry stones to Circle. When I build a Legion list, it's useful to include a Hellmouth, but never essential. With the much lower access to a ranged game in Circle, and even squishier warbeasts, I find the inclusion of sentry stones essential in every list I build (yes, my meta is very gun-happy). I feel crippled without the sentry stones in Circle, I absolutely do not feel the same way about Hellmouths with my Legion. -und_ed
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Post by zich on Mar 30, 2017 9:11:06 GMT
Circle beasts are squishier than Legion beasts?
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Post by pangurban on Mar 30, 2017 10:52:14 GMT
Circle beasts are squishier than Legion beasts? Definitely not. That said, they're probably more vulnerable to the popular strong ranged lists in practice. I can certainly see why Circle players consider Sentry Stones indispensable, but given the option to bring two lists to competitive events I think they can be omitted from one if there are sufficient incentives to do so. Circle lists and Legion lists don't normally work very much alike though and Sentries and Hellmouths have very different functions, so the comparison is a bit wonky anyway.
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Post by zich on Mar 30, 2017 11:12:23 GMT
I see. A question of interest to Legion players:
If you could permanently trade the Hellmouth for the Sentry Stone, would you do it? Assume that it still costs the Hellmouth's 6p and is not allowed in any theme.
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Post by pangurban on Mar 30, 2017 11:41:09 GMT
I see. A question of interest to Legion players: If you could permanently trade the Hellmouth for the Sentry Stone, would you do it? Assume that it still costs the Hellmouth's 6p and is not allowed in any theme. Circle has a theme force that allows Sentry Stones, and while Legion doesn't have a theme that allows Hellmouths yet I expect that's only a matter of time. Hellmouths simply don't fit the themes of the existing theme forces yet. And Sentry Stones are 5 points a pop in Circle. The added restrictions seem a bit arbitrary. ;-) Personally I wouldn't make that trade. I like Hellmouths as a concept already, regardless of how effective they are, and Sentry Stones are simply better in Circle than they would be in Legion. Purely objectively I don't think it'd be a terrible trade, but it's not a straightforward comparison.
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Post by Provengreil on Mar 30, 2017 12:30:10 GMT
I see. A question of interest to Legion players: If you could permanently trade the Hellmouth for the Sentry Stone, would you do it? Assume that it still costs the Hellmouth's 6p and is not allowed in any theme. Circle has a theme force that allows Sentry Stones, and while Legion doesn't have a theme that allows Hellmouths yet I expect that's only a matter of time. Hellmouths simply don't fit the themes of the existing theme forces yet. And Sentry Stones are 5 points a pop in Circle. The added restrictions seem a bit arbitrary. ;-) Personally I wouldn't make that trade. I like Hellmouths as a concept already, regardless of how effective they are, and Sentry Stones are simply better in Circle than they would be in Legion. Purely objectively I don't think it'd be a terrible trade, but it's not a straightforward comparison. Hellmouths are mostly fine now that they fixed some of the weirder bits of them. I think they could stand to be a tad more fragile, and probably be defense 5 like everything else in the game that can't move, but other than that they're good without being OP.
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Post by malnorma on Mar 30, 2017 13:09:23 GMT
Theme #4: Seen Enough Hentai
Includes Proteus, Throne, and Hellmouth units become FA:4.
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Post by unded on Mar 30, 2017 13:47:50 GMT
I see. A question of interest to Legion players: If you could permanently trade the Hellmouth for the Sentry Stone, would you do it? Assume that it still costs the Hellmouth's 6p and is not allowed in any theme. Like I said, I pay both factions. If I could take sentry stones in Legion, they'd be in every list. They're such a good answer to the ranged meta, I can't think of a good reason not to include them. -und_ed
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 30, 2017 14:03:53 GMT
Theme #4: Seen Enough Hentai Includes Proteus, Throne, and Hellmouth units become FA:4. Why stop at 4? Imagine a battle field filled to the brim with Hell mouths... Title it: "What's Hentai? I Don't Know Where This Is Going"
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Post by sideshowlucifer on Mar 30, 2017 14:10:24 GMT
Circle has a theme that allows sentry stones but that theme is horrible, not because the theme itself is bad, but because Wolds need some work and/or more variety and support.
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Post by zich on Mar 30, 2017 14:16:41 GMT
I see. A question of interest to Legion players: If you could permanently trade the Hellmouth for the Sentry Stone, would you do it? Assume that it still costs the Hellmouth's 6p and is not allowed in any theme. Like I said, I pay both factions. If I could take sentry stones in Legion, they'd be in every list. They're such a good answer to the ranged meta, I can't think of a good reason not to include them. -und_ed And I would take them in every Skorne list, no doubt there. I'm just curious how far people would go. Would you forsake the Hellmouth, themes and even extra points to get them?
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