unded
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Post by unded on Mar 13, 2017 7:38:43 GMT
I've given up.
I mean, if even Goreshade has given up on Cryx, it seems absurd for me to hold on.
-und_ed
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Post by skathrex on Mar 13, 2017 11:25:25 GMT
Hey,
fairly knew player here. Didn't play in MK2 and playing Khador atm, but I got some Cryx stuff and the more I read the more exited I get. Ghost Fleet, Terminus, Denny, Arc Nodes, Recursion, Morty, Banes, Armor Debuffs. There is so much that I think looks really cool and is interesting to play in Cryx. Especially compared to the "Axe to Face" mentality of Khador.
I am sure its going to be a painfull learning curve but boy am I exited to try all the stuff out.
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Post by ishruul on Mar 13, 2017 12:57:17 GMT
Hey, fairly knew player here. Didn't play in MK2 and playing Khador atm, but I got some Cryx stuff and the more I read the more exited I get. Ghost Fleet, Terminus, Denny, Arc Nodes, Recursion, Morty, Banes, Armor Debuffs. There is so much that I think looks really cool and is interesting to play in Cryx. Especially compared to the "Axe to Face" mentality of Khador. I am sure its going to be a painfull learning curve but boy am I exited to try all the stuff out. I played Cryx for the last 4 years while my best friend play Khador. With MK2 we always were on an escalating warfare curve. With MK3, it's more of a "one-sided-fist-fight-with-a-crippled-in-a-wheel-chair" kinda thing. The learning curve is not that hard to grasp, it's just that "if you think Cryx got awesome tricks, read again, it's probably wrong!" mentality with that faction is huge. 2 months, I bought myself a nice Gatormen army, having fun with it and not feeling completely useless on the battlefield. Cryx are on the shelf, don't know for how long, but right now they'll stay there.
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Post by skathrex on Mar 13, 2017 13:04:18 GMT
Hey, fairly knew player here. Didn't play in MK2 and playing Khador atm, but I got some Cryx stuff and the more I read the more exited I get. Ghost Fleet, Terminus, Denny, Arc Nodes, Recursion, Morty, Banes, Armor Debuffs. There is so much that I think looks really cool and is interesting to play in Cryx. Especially compared to the "Axe to Face" mentality of Khador. I am sure its going to be a painfull learning curve but boy am I exited to try all the stuff out. I played Cryx for the last 4 years while my best friend play Khador. With MK2 we always were on an escalating warfare curve. With MK3, it's more of a "one-sided-fist-fight-with-a-crippled-in-a-wheel-chair" kinda thing. The learning curve is not that hard to grasp, it's just that "if you think Cryx got awesome tricks, read again, it's probably wrong!" mentality with that faction is huge. 2 months, I bought myself a nice Gatormen army, having fun with it and not feeling completely useless on the battlefield. Cryx are on the shelf, don't know for how long, but right now they'll stay there. You mean cryx got too much skornergy (maybe rebrand it to Cryxergy with the errata)? I had one of those moments when I thought I could kill Mechthralls with Gunslingers for clouds and bring them back...but oh well. But I had these moments with Khador too. All I am trying to say is, for someone from the outside it looks not that dark. Maybe its just because many old cryx players are used to their tools doing that much more compared to now.
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ware86
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Post by ware86 on Mar 13, 2017 13:24:40 GMT
well if you don't have a huge collection of underperforming models and just start it can be ok, i guess. It is also pretty cheap. You basically only need two units of Raiders and a little other stuff and you are good to go. Also future releases will probably be pretty strong, they have so much designspace now in cryx. It is more frustrating trying to find places for all the stuff, you already have, that is pretty useless now.
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 13, 2017 13:38:55 GMT
I played Cryx for the last 4 years while my best friend play Khador. With MK2 we always were on an escalating warfare curve. With MK3, it's more of a "one-sided-fist-fight-with-a-crippled-in-a-wheel-chair" kinda thing. The learning curve is not that hard to grasp, it's just that "if you think Cryx got awesome tricks, read again, it's probably wrong!" mentality with that faction is huge. 2 months, I bought myself a nice Gatormen army, having fun with it and not feeling completely useless on the battlefield. Cryx are on the shelf, don't know for how long, but right now they'll stay there. You mean cryx got too much skornergy (maybe rebrand it to Cryxergy with the errata)? I had one of those moments when I thought I could kill Mechthralls with Gunslingers for clouds and bring them back...but oh well. But I had these moments with Khador too. All I am trying to say is, for someone from the outside it looks not that dark. Maybe its just because many old cryx players are used to their tools doing that much more compared to now. I'd say yes and no. There's definitely some of Mark2 Cryx bias clouding the old school player's judgement, but there's also a lot of things that you look at and then look at options other factions have, and you just get sad such as Bane Knights vs Dawnguard Sentinels or Deneghra2 losing her Mark2 feat while Sorscha1 & Kreoss1 are allowed to keep theirs and Morghul2 is allowed to get his Mark1 feat back at Fury 6. I also definitely see players from other factions heavily overrate certain Cryx models both in Mark2 & Mark3. The amount of screaming over Bane Thralls in Mark2 blew my mind, because honestly they weren't that good outside of Asphyxious2 & Goreshade2. In Mark3 I see a lot of players in other factions heavily overrating Cryx warjacks & not understanding their strengths, flaws, & weaknesses. The amount of people who were telling me Mortenebra was a decent caster before the buffs to Deryliss because of her ability to apply fully loaded Stalkers to enemy casters from 20" away blew my mind. I'm sorry but 2 Focus, Mat 7, Pow 12 Blessed is not enough to kill casters that are camping especially if I need to boost to hit. Stalkers don't start becoming assassination monsters until they get buffed up by things like Infernal Machine, Dark Guidance, Terminal Velocity, and Blood Magic. There's definitely a lot of solid builds in Cryx Mark3, but they look nothing like the solid builds of Mark2. Many Mark2 Cryx players who didn't own the entire faction and only owned what was good in Mark2 came to the realization that even if they didn't faction hop, it was likely going to cost them the same amount of money to play Mark3 Cryx as any other faction. A lot of Cryx players have $250 of Bane Knights on their shelf because they can't even sell it since nobody wants them. It doesn't matter whether or not the rest of the faction works, when you look at a major collection like that collecting dust it's depressing and I can say had I bought into the Moar Banez lists of Mark2 I guarantee the absolute gutting Knights received would have caused me to quit on the spot.
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Post by ishruul on Mar 13, 2017 13:53:48 GMT
You mean cryx got too much skornergy (maybe rebrand it to Cryxergy with the errata)? I had one of those moments when I thought I could kill Mechthralls with Gunslingers for clouds and bring them back...but oh well. But I had these moments with Khador too. All I am trying to say is, for someone from the outside it looks not that dark. Maybe its just because many old cryx players are used to their tools doing that much more compared to now. I'd say yes and no. There's definitely some of Mark2 Cryx bias clouding the old school player's judgement, but there's also a lot of things that you look at and then look at options other factions have, and you just get sad such as Bane Knights vs Dawnguard Sentinels or Deneghra2 losing her Mark2 feat while Sorscha1 & Kreoss1 are allowed to keep theirs and Morghul2 is allowed to get his Mark1 feat back at Fury 6. I also definitely see players from other factions heavily overrate certain Cryx models both in Mark2 & Mark3. The amount of screaming over Bane Thralls in Mark2 blew my mind, because honestly they weren't that good outside of Asphyxious2 & Goreshade2. In Mark3 I see a lot of players in other factions heavily overrating Cryx warjacks & not understanding their strengths, flaws, & weaknesses. The amount of people who were telling me Mortenebra was a decent caster before the buffs to Deryliss because of her ability to apply fully loaded Stalkers to enemy casters from 20" away blew my mind. I'm sorry but 2 Focus, Mat 7, Pow 12 Blessed is not enough to kill casters that are camping especially if I need to boost to hit. Stalkers don't start becoming assassination monsters until they get buffed up by things like Infernal Machine, Dark Guidance, Terminal Velocity, and Blood Magic. There's definitely a lot of solid builds in Cryx Mark3, but they look nothing like the solid builds of Mark2. Many Mark2 Cryx players who didn't own the entire faction and only owned what was good in Mark2 came to the realization that even if they didn't faction hop, it was likely going to cost them the same amount of money to play Mark3 Cryx as any other faction. A lot of Cryx players have $250 of Bane Knights on their shelf because they can't even sell it since nobody wants them. It doesn't matter whether or not the rest of the faction works, when you look at a major collection like that collecting dust it's depressing and I can say had I bought into the Moar Banez lists of Mark2 I guarantee the absolute gutting Knights received would have caused me to quit on the spot. You summed up pretty much everything I feel about Cryx right now. Also, I want to point out that it's not that Cryx is now just bad and I want More Banez back (never played more than 1 unit of BanesThralls in mk2), it's more that the faction is boring to play, feel incomplete and debuff are atrociously bad in mk3 (Scything Touch nerf, no cycling upkeep, skarlock). I WANT Cryx to be good, I have 3000$ of Painted Cryx waiting to see table time. But right now, they are a mess. So Gatormen it is (which are full of undeath goodness).
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ware86
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Post by ware86 on Mar 13, 2017 14:03:11 GMT
i like you more and more Deller. Well it can be even worse than that (only Banes) i have (since before MK3 just my units):
3* Bane Knights : Pretty garbage outclassed by Warriors 3* Bane Warriors : Also pretty bad need a lot of support to do anything 2* Bane Riders :without words bad 1* Revenant crew : not enough to do now anything with them and not willing to spend more money 3* Mechanithralls the old without Attachments so even with them i would think pretty me. Without one of the worst units in the game 3* Necro-Surgeons : not needed see mechanithralls 2* Blood witches: well outclassed by raiders 1* Raiders <- (sadly only once) : only really strong unit we have 2* Bloodgorgers : just not good. 1*Soulhunters : better cav. we have. Still only viable with a few casters 2* Bile thralls (for recursion) : useless 1* Withershadow : ok 2* Black Ogrun: as always useless 1* Blackbanes : don't have the wraithengines for a skew the whole stuff for dennys old Themelist (cephalyx)...
after initial testing (first 6 months) i still use(sometimes): 1* Soulhunters 1* Bane Warriors (maybe two min with coven) 1* Raiders 1* B. Witches (as proxy for 2. Raiders LOL) 1* Withershadow
and that was just the units...
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 13, 2017 14:23:35 GMT
Blood Witches are fine. They're not too expensive and perform the roles they are meant for. Native Stealth makes them reasonably survivable, especially in a Stealth skew list, and catches a lot of people off guard. It sucks a bit to no longer have Incorporeal on demand, also because you can't charge your own models anymore, but they still provide plenty of utility.
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ware86
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Post by ware86 on Mar 13, 2017 14:37:00 GMT
Prefer them trying to shoot at def 16 blast immune Raiders and waste activations. Also most good shooty lists/units completely ignore stealth. Tried them like 30+ times but always thought man Raiders would have been better.
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Post by skathrex on Mar 13, 2017 15:02:27 GMT
You mean cryx got too much skornergy (maybe rebrand it to Cryxergy with the errata)? I had one of those moments when I thought I could kill Mechthralls with Gunslingers for clouds and bring them back...but oh well. But I had these moments with Khador too. All I am trying to say is, for someone from the outside it looks not that dark. Maybe its just because many old cryx players are used to their tools doing that much more compared to now. I'd say yes and no. There's definitely some of Mark2 Cryx bias clouding the old school player's judgement, but there's also a lot of things that you look at and then look at options other factions have, and you just get sad such as Bane Knights vs Dawnguard Sentinels or Deneghra2 losing her Mark2 feat while Sorscha1 & Kreoss1 are allowed to keep theirs and Morghul2 is allowed to get his Mark1 feat back at Fury 6. I also definitely see players from other factions heavily overrate certain Cryx models both in Mark2 & Mark3. The amount of screaming over Bane Thralls in Mark2 blew my mind, because honestly they weren't that good outside of Asphyxious2 & Goreshade2. In Mark3 I see a lot of players in other factions heavily overrating Cryx warjacks & not understanding their strengths, flaws, & weaknesses. The amount of people who were telling me Mortenebra was a decent caster before the buffs to Deryliss because of her ability to apply fully loaded Stalkers to enemy casters from 20" away blew my mind. I'm sorry but 2 Focus, Mat 7, Pow 12 Blessed is not enough to kill casters that are camping especially if I need to boost to hit. Stalkers don't start becoming assassination monsters until they get buffed up by things like Infernal Machine, Dark Guidance, Terminal Velocity, and Blood Magic. There's definitely a lot of solid builds in Cryx Mark3, but they look nothing like the solid builds of Mark2. Many Mark2 Cryx players who didn't own the entire faction and only owned what was good in Mark2 came to the realization that even if they didn't faction hop, it was likely going to cost them the same amount of money to play Mark3 Cryx as any other faction. A lot of Cryx players have $250 of Bane Knights on their shelf because they can't even sell it since nobody wants them. It doesn't matter whether or not the rest of the faction works, when you look at a major collection like that collecting dust it's depressing and I can say had I bought into the Moar Banez lists of Mark2 I guarantee the absolute gutting Knights received would have caused me to quit on the spot. I don't want to antagonize anyone, as I can perfectly understand the frustration of some people when your army receives a huge nerf. Even though I am not one to share that feeling since the reason I was drawn to Cryx, besides mechanics and look, was the fact that they aren't rated the top dog atm. Just a personal mindset I guess. Btw with the collection I bought I now have something like 40 Bane Warriors + Cav + 30 Thralls +3 Surgeons on my shelf (apparently I bought it of someone who was frustrated that MK2 Cryx isn't MK3 Cryx). Maybe its just because I am hyped with the game in general. But I seen the same thing in Khador where people were mad that MK2 Khador isn't MK3 Khador and whole army became more or less useless (Infantry to Jack switch). Again these kind of thing don't really hit me hard since I like to play with the weaker stuff from time to time and especially in WMH I like to collect most of the army I play. Cryx definatly suffers a bit. Some Units are just not good enough to be competetive, but thats always the case. Cryx has one of the best (and only) Single Wound Melee Infantry in the game, Khador has practically none left. And some of the Stuff will be better, CID and Bane Theme Force etc. So I will stay positive and enjoy what I have. I just thought (since this thread is about staying positiv), that my humble view from the outside sees still a lot of Fun in Cryx.
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ware86
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Post by ware86 on Mar 13, 2017 15:22:14 GMT
Well Khador has some good to great jacks and their infantry is now better than ours. Pikemen still have +4 arm and threat as far as our Cav (Riders) they have some of the best shooting inf. in the game ... we have raiders and our Jacks are also nothing compared to what Khador has (just saying). We are carried by a few strong builds all around Coven and Raiders as at least one pair.
Played Khador for a long time (MK2) and their Inf. is close as good as MK2 (just not all of the old inf.) and some of them have problems because of the high heavy meta. Their jacks are also great.
we lost our old inf., lost our casters (aside from denny 1 no idea why she stayed 95% as she was), while our jacks are as meh as ever and not received anything good in return.
Even if we would see suddenly more Inf. as opponents, we would need only to apply more Raiders (if we could). They are also our best overall weapon against inf.( enough power, high def in melee also only ones with a high enough mat to kill high def...)
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ware86
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Post by ware86 on Mar 13, 2017 15:36:25 GMT
MK3 Cryx slogan :"Raid more" ;-)
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Post by bfdhud on Mar 13, 2017 17:39:02 GMT
The fact that we have a thread dedicated to "staying positive" should tell you all you need to know about the state of Cryx.
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Post by drach42 on Mar 13, 2017 17:46:43 GMT
I stay positive by providing negative play experiences for my opponents. I recently went to the OTC and went 4-0 getting a total of 425+ army destroyed, 22 cp's and making a harkavich jack spam concede turn 2. Total cp's scored against me where 0. Played agaist damiano theme, sloan, vayl2, and harkavich. Same weekend played the cephalyx with my ghost fleet and summarily beat thexus. Sadly my team only went 2-2 We lost to black knight prime, and another team I can't remember.
Also this last weekend I went to another smaller sized tournoment, ended up being only 3 rounds because a pairdown lost. I won, beat trolls, haley2, and it was a cryx on cryx final. My opponent was playing gaspy3 and played a great game.
My 6 competitive casters I use are denny1, Terminus, Shade1, Venethrax, Scaverous, and Gaspy1.
I just love the salt from my opponents, it keeps me positive.
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