kaos
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Post by kaos on Sept 19, 2017 11:24:05 GMT
The new cryx theme is the last of the issues for Khador and will not drop into Khador. Since is weak versus infantry spam and jack spam as well. IF they dro their jack theme into a khador jack theme, slayers will not be able to hurt khador jacks a lot while khador jacks will obliterate cryx jacks. They will drop dark host, since it's the theme we have problems with.
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Post by skathrex on Sept 19, 2017 12:10:43 GMT
The new cryx theme is the last of the issues for Khador and will not drop into Khador. Since is weak versus infantry spam and jack spam as well. IF they dro their jack theme into a khador jack theme, slayers will not be able to hurt khador jacks a lot while khador jacks will obliterate cryx jacks. They will drop dark host, since it's the theme we have problems with. Well it is kinda good against WGK, which many saw as our direct answer to GF. If your opponent runs GF and you have an answer like for example Sorscha2, you can just listchicken them. (works with Dark Host too). Most will just default into Dark Host/Black Industries list, which gives you the opportunity to just select your off list, which quite honestly, as long as you didn't bring 2 shooty list should be good into their pair
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Post by Soul Samurai on Sept 19, 2017 13:49:27 GMT
Since is weak versus infantry spam and jack spam as well. What is it good at then? IF they dro their jack theme into a khador jack theme, slayers will not be able to hurt khador jacks a lot Does the theme not get used with ARM-debuffing casters?
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Post by smoothcriminal on Sept 19, 2017 15:21:49 GMT
I think Vlad1 will easily beat them with jacks while wg grunts will be hunting arcnodes. Cryx generally has problem with extending their threats.
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Post by tjhairball on Sept 20, 2017 0:05:25 GMT
Back in Mk II, I never worried about having a Cryx drop because I ran Zerkova (who was at her best against Cryx). She has changed dramatically, but is she still at her best against Cryx?
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kaos
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Post by kaos on Sept 20, 2017 14:08:52 GMT
What is it good at then? Does the theme not get used with ARM-debuffing casters? Basically it tech well versus shooting armies. If you have a vlad 1 rocket spam army, Dark industries will give you problems. It will be used with arm debuff casters probably, but there is a limit of debuffs you can stick on stuff. Unless we talk of denny 1. Also ARM debuffing a jack means less focus to fuel your jacks into making multiple attacks. Carapace can be useful to set an assassination since you get a +4 vs free strike as well, but well it depends what are you walking into. Can be a decent drop into cygnar, probably also retribution and maybe some hordes armies. Maybe legion. Not sure.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Sept 20, 2017 14:32:13 GMT
That makes sense, thanks for explaining it.
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Post by skathrex on Sept 21, 2017 7:14:19 GMT
I think the main Focus for BI, same as with Dark Host is, that it works wonders with GF in a Pair.
Because Jacks don't have the output to threaten GF and melee infantry struggels in the attrition department against gf. So the best solution so far has ben rng armies, but thats exactly what BI and Dark Host are good into. They are by no means bad against other armies, but thats where they excell. Where we could use S1 against Dark host, she really doesn't do much against BI, but a Cryx player that brings either of those list without bringing GF will immedatly be in big trouble against any jaws or LoS build.
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Post by auraco on Sept 21, 2017 13:03:44 GMT
That brings a lot of list chicken, I'm curious to see how people handle it, because people don't always win their list chicken.
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Post by Netherby on Sept 21, 2017 13:39:00 GMT
The weakness of Cryx jacks is generally that they are pretty easy to kill in melee. But they have plenty of good jack options and plenty of ways to improve the damage output. Their average heavy has 28 boxes and is Def 13, Arm 17. So yes, now that all our good jacks are Mat 7 they kill them easily.
But the Slayer is 10 points. It gets 3 initial attacks (one of which is weak). But you can stick it on their jack marshal and it's hitting at effective power 20. You can combine that with the power booster solos to be making 6 attacks with it at no cost to the caster. If they put caster investment into it, that could be power 23 with 6 attacks. That kind of damage will one round most colossals.
I wouldn't write off a Cryx jack spam as being useless against Khador. They can definitely tool up to one round armour 20 jacks using low cost models.
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 21, 2017 14:11:46 GMT
The weakness of Cryx jacks is generally that they are pretty easy to kill in melee. But they have plenty of good jack options and plenty of ways to improve the damage output. Their average heavy has 28 boxes and is Def 13, Arm 17. So yes, now that all our good jacks are Mat 7 they kill them easily. But the Slayer is 10 points. It gets 3 initial attacks (one of which is weak). But you can stick it on their jack marshal and it's hitting at effective power 20. You can combine that with the power booster solos to be making 6 attacks with it at no cost to the caster. If they put caster investment into it, that could be power 23 with 6 attacks. That kind of damage will one round most colossals. I wouldn't write off a Cryx jack spam as being useless against Khador. They can definitely tool up to one round armour 20 jacks using low cost models. But with the Jack Marshall its hitting at POW 18...
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Post by Netherby on Sept 21, 2017 14:40:56 GMT
But with the Jack Marshall its hitting at POW 18... It gains Dark Shroud from the Drive and Crusher is +2 strength. That makes it POW 20.
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 21, 2017 14:44:04 GMT
But then it can t charge.
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Post by Netherby on Sept 21, 2017 14:52:20 GMT
But then it can t charge. You put a focus on it with one of your War Which Sirens if it needs to charge. Though it's speed 6, you often don't need to charge any way.
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 21, 2017 16:57:11 GMT
But then it can t charge. You put a focus on it with one of your War Which Sirens if it needs to charge. Though it's speed 6, you often don't need to charge any way. Well than now that's not a 10 point slayer its a 19 point one, or a 15 point one that is outthreated by a charging juggernaut. Don't make the mistake of just seeing numbers in a vaccuum.
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