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Post by Cryptix on Sept 17, 2017 22:25:17 GMT
Crush em in melee. There isn't much of a chance at shooting them downstream with caraspace. So you think LegoS will handle it well? Because that's what I've got to work with for now. It takes 4 Iron Fangs to kill a Slayer. Let that sink in for a moment.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Sept 17, 2017 22:33:08 GMT
So you think LegoS will handle it well? Because that's what I've got to work with for now. It takes 4 Iron Fangs to kill a Slayer. Let that sink in for a moment. You're talking to someone who plays less than once a week on average and has been playing for less than a year. You mind spelling it out?
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Post by tjhairball on Sept 17, 2017 23:51:12 GMT
It takes 4 Iron Fangs to kill a Slayer. Let that sink in for a moment. You're talking to someone who plays less than once a week on average and has been playing for less than a year. You mind spelling it out? 4 Iron Fang Pikemen would be about 6 points of models. A Slayer is a 10 point warjack. With no focus, it'll kill 2 pikemen typically, with a full focus load (6 attacks) it would probably kill 4-5 pikemen. So the point being made there is that if it's a Pikemen vs Slayers match, the Pikemen can pretty much wreck the Slayers if there's a similar quantity and you can deliver them. The Slayer is the cheap basic Cryx melee warjack. Other Cryx warjacks will in general be better at killing Pikemen, but will have less durability per point.
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Post by skathrex on Sept 18, 2017 10:12:55 GMT
I am not sure we will see the new Theme that much, because I don't know if its better then Dark Host. But anyway the problem stays the same. Shooting will have some problems into the GF "Offlist". Now its just a bit worse for S1. S2 is better against the new theme, because she suddenly gains a feat. Cryx Jacks don't take dmg well.
I will try Butcher3 in LoS as an Cryx answer for the future, see it is has even matchups against the fleet.
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Post by tapecrawler on Sept 18, 2017 15:03:13 GMT
One of the lists being bandied about in the Cryx forum has: Denny2, Four Leviathans with SPD 5, DEF12, ARM18, 30 boxes, RNG 13, ROF d3, POW 13, amphibious, and steady; three Nightwretches with Arcnode, SPD 7, DEF14, ARM14, 30 boxes, RNG 6, ROF 1, AOE 3, POW 14; Withershadow Combine; Cephalyx Overlords; and two Warwitch Sirens. That sounds like it would absolutely mulch any kind of infantry spam and would be pretty difficult into Jaws. So I wouldn't be surprised if some variant of that pops up in the competitive scene.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Sept 18, 2017 15:39:50 GMT
Doesn't seem scarier than Sloan. I'll wait until Cryx has a jack list with all the stock jack issues figured out: focus, threat and hitting/damaging. Their casters are good when their army manages itself, but jacks don't win games by themselves.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Sept 18, 2017 16:05:11 GMT
What worries me about the theme is that it gives cryx free arcnode. And I've eaten my fair share of assassination runs from the local cryx player.
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Post by wendan on Sept 18, 2017 16:37:31 GMT
Bring Zerkova 1 or 2! You will never* have to worry about spell assassination!
* Never not guaranteed. The enemy can still target nearby models with AOE's, or models in a line with sprays. Some feats will also bypass spell immunity. See your doctor if your immunity lasts longer than four hours.
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Post by leotherat on Sept 18, 2017 17:11:23 GMT
I'm going to have to disagree about the never part. You can venom either of them to death merely by targeting a model somewhere in line with either Zerkova as one case of spell assassination.
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Post by wendan on Sept 18, 2017 17:11:52 GMT
That is fair, actually. Allow me to edit!
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Post by borderprince on Sept 18, 2017 17:58:32 GMT
One of the lists being bandied about in the Cryx forum has: Denny2, Four Leviathans with SPD 5, DEF12, ARM18, 30 boxes, RNG 13, ROF d3, POW 13, amphibious, and steady; three Nightwretches with Arcnode, SPD 7, DEF14, ARM14, 30 boxes, RNG 6, ROF 1, AOE 3, POW 14; Withershadow Combine; Cephalyx Overlords; and two Warwitch Sirens. That sounds like it would absolutely mulch any kind of infantry spam and would be pretty difficult into Jaws. So I wouldn't be surprised if some variant of that pops up in the competitive scene. OW2 in Greylord theme looks ever more attractive as my preferred anti-Cryx drop. The range drop from Windstorm clearly helps dramatically against the jack-shooting, while it has magic weapons and quite a bit of spell-immunity. Also not losing much on shooting - the Outriders weren't meant to be going against jacks anyway. The hard part will be keeping the OW herself safe. But only by including heavy jacks, which might not otherwise have been included. And it causes an interesting trade-off - using the arc node to get spells where you want gives less focus to power the heavy jacks to do work. That's not as big a problem for Cryx as some factions given the number of available debuffs with some casters, but it's unlikely all the jacks will be running at peak performance.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Sept 18, 2017 18:16:07 GMT
It's just 30 points of warjacks. They don't need to be heavies.
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 19, 2017 0:12:20 GMT
Range 13 makes me laugh. Drop Strakhov1 and done.
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Post by tapecrawler on Sept 19, 2017 0:26:17 GMT
Not trying to come across as a smartass, but how does Strakhov1 play into Ghost Fleet, Infernal Machine, and/or Dark Host? He's one of my favorite models, and he seems to fall in and out of favor online. I'd love to be able to run him effectively but probably don't have the models.
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 19, 2017 1:21:48 GMT
Step 1: take grolar. Step 2: accelerate up to 16" away (more on feat turn). Step 3: Repeat every turn.
Won't help against any of the others, but just demonstrating how it doesn't really leviathans don't really matter against us. Only an 18" threat range is weak.
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