rivers
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Post by rivers on Mar 29, 2017 15:14:23 GMT
At this exact moment Vayl1 could reasonably have a unit of Hex Hunters run as a screen in CotD. They're not a great "defensive" unit but they would certainly be able to jam well enough. She does sit in the unique position with Lylyth1 as one of only two warlocks that can improve Hex Hunters melee AND magic accuracy and damage, and the only who can improve their mobility on top of that. Anyways - usually I don't back off the entire army with Vayl1 - I prefer to have a sole unit of infantry push themselves deeper into the front line while everything else backs off. I had some reasonable success with this right at the very start of Mk3 (sometimes using Hex Hunters sometimes Banshees) but I haven't tried it since, and I'd rate it as too hard to do to be fully reliable.
If we ever got a worthwhile buff to Legionnaires I could reasonably see them and HH working together with her to get two good turns out of charging Soldiers. As it currently stands it works, but I don't think it works well enough to give her an advantage over just building an Oracles list or going themeless altogether.
Synergy would definitely be the best thing to run this with, but I highly doubt we'll ever get the spell in Legion. Stranger things have happened though, what with Khador getting an ARM buff that can go on jacks.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 29, 2017 17:05:14 GMT
So I wabt to make a rant about this list but I'm at work so it will have to come later. edit: ranted here instead. conflictchamber.com/#ba1b_-0uewaLaLaLaLaLaLaLbwbefUbaa_b0Legion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Absylonia 2) Absylonia, Daughter of Everblight [+28] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Proteus [19] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [6] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0] Incubus (5) [0] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] - Blighted Nyss Swordsman Abbot & Champion [0] The Soldier can cut out a cortex or aspect against arm19 or lower on average rolls. With a +2 damage buff they can gut even khadoran heavies on average rolls. This list gets 7 of them with abby2's feat and still manages to squeeze in full swordsmen with all the bells and whistles. Mat9 soldiers under alpha with overtake and free charges can sweep infantry easily, and on the feat they can cripple heavies. The swordsmen help in both fields as well. No fury support? So what? They pass their threshold on average rolls with full fury anyways and even if they frenzy (which is probably preferable really) it's still another fully boosted precision strike that will likely go on something you already are engaged with. All the soldiers are def 13 arm 18 in melee. Proteus with grevious wounds and bracer can lock down jacks and beasts alike once they're crippled, preventing healing and tying them up against an arm22 heavy. It can also drag crippled hewvies away from soldiers to free them up for pressing forwards. As far as I can tell this should be a pretty amazing list. Rant will come later.
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Post by malnorma on Mar 29, 2017 20:23:54 GMT
How is an engaged soldier getting a fully boosted frenzy attack?
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 29, 2017 21:32:14 GMT
All frenzy attacks are fully boosted.
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Post by malnorma on Mar 29, 2017 21:57:56 GMT
Attack rolls are boosted, but not damage rolls unless the frenzying model moved three inches, unless this changed again and I missed it? I thought "fully boosted" generally referred to both rolls.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 29, 2017 22:13:09 GMT
Attack rolls are boosted, but not damage rolls unless the frenzying model moved three inches, unless this changed again and I missed it? I thought "fully boosted" generally referred to both rolls. You are correct. I was thinking of the old frenzy system. So not as good a frenzy attack anymore ubless you use proteus to create one.
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Post by fossilfinder on Mar 31, 2017 19:20:29 GMT
I think this could work, potentially. Mind you I dislike this theme from a lot of axes (Theme's main incentive is the good infantry but all benefits key off of and go towards warbeasts, not being allowed a heavy outside of characters with their casters, Incentives to purchase a ton of mediocre beasts like Neph Soldiers because it's the most viable one in the theme Khador gets Behemoth in their jack theme but we can't get Zuriel in our Nephilim theme, etc) and do not own enough Soldiers to test it out, so this should be taken with a grain of salt.
Legion Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Children of the Dragon
(Kryssa 1) Kryssa, Conviction of Everblight [+31]
- Azrael [21]
- Nephilim Soldier [9]
- Nephilim Soldier [9]
- Nephilim Soldier [9]
- Nephilim Soldier [9]
- Nephilim Soldier [9]
- Nephilim Soldier [9]
- Succubus [0]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [6]
Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [6]
Blighted Nyss Warlord [0]
Spell Martyr [1]
Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15]
- Blighted Nyss Swordsman Abbot & Champion [0]
I'm not in love with it but I think it could work. Sorcs make Neph Soldiers a lot more efficient and the feat lets them hit respectably, and their highish MAT means it's less necessary to boost to hit. Swordsmen follow up and finish off things, at least in theory. Having Azrael greatly helps the list's case in my opinion.
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Post by piedpiperwtf on Apr 11, 2017 22:26:49 GMT
Absylonia1 Children of the dragon
Proteus 19 protector 10 bolththrower 11 soldier 9 bloodseer 8 shredderx6 24 beast mistress(free) harrier 3 stinger 4 beast mistress(free) harrier 3 stinger 4 shepard(free) shepard 1 martyr 1 martyr 1 spawning vessel 7
This has a lot of boxes to chew thru as well as a lot of board presence and a little recursion.
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izrian
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Post by izrian on Apr 25, 2017 20:05:20 GMT
I think this could work, potentially. Mind you I dislike this theme from a lot of axes (Theme's main incentive is the good infantry but all benefits key off of and go towards warbeasts, not being allowed a heavy outside of characters with their casters, Incentives to purchase a ton of mediocre beasts like Neph Soldiers because it's the most viable one in the theme Khador gets Behemoth in their jack theme but we can't get Zuriel in our Nephilim theme, etc) and do not own enough Soldiers to test it out, so this should be taken with a grain of salt. Legion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Kryssa 1) Kryssa, Conviction of Everblight [+31] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Succubus [0] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [6] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [6] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0] Spell Martyr [1] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] - Blighted Nyss Swordsman Abbot & Champion [0] I'm not in love with it but I think it could work. Sorcs make Neph Soldiers a lot more efficient and the feat lets them hit respectably, and their highish MAT means it's less necessary to boost to hit. Swordsmen follow up and finish off things, at least in theory. Having Azrael greatly helps the list's case in my opinion. I ran something very similar to this just replace some solders with 2 bloodseers, and a protector, very very fun. But against true competitive lists it folds, IMO. I could have just been how I was playing also though
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Post by neutralyze on Apr 28, 2017 15:03:12 GMT
Kryssa does COTD pretty well. Really it's the power of beast Mistresses and shredders with her.
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on Apr 28, 2017 21:32:37 GMT
It feels like outside of what Jake's talking about with Beast Mistresses and Shredders there's not much to like about Children of the Dragon. Basically everything fossilfinder said is why I don't feel that there's much game in this theme. CotD is our Sons of the Tempest - fluffy but not terribly competitive outside of maybe one narrow exception with one Warlock. Which is fine because Oracles and Ravens of War are both excellent themes.
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Post by cainuslupus on Apr 28, 2017 22:32:02 GMT
Kryssa does COTD pretty well. Really it's the power of beast Mistresses and shredders with her. Is there any particular list? I can't wrap my head around this concept TBH...
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Apr 28, 2017 22:38:08 GMT
CoTD isn't bad. My bigger problem with it is how spammy it is. Several casters can run a nephilim spam pretty well and with unyielding they are all pretty durable. Our equivalent of cheap heavy spam.
War Room Army
Legion of Everblight - abby2 cotd
Theme: Children of the Dragon 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Absylonia, Daughter of Everblight - WB: +28 - Nephilim Soldier - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Nephilim Soldier - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Nephilim Soldier - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Nephilim Soldier - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 1) - Nephilim Soldier - PC: 9 - Nephilim Soldier - PC: 9 - Nephilim Soldier - PC: 9 - Proteus - PC: 19
Blighted Nyss Warlord - PC: 0 Incubus - 5 Incubi: 0 Blighted Nyss Warlord - PC: 5 Spell Martyr - PC: 1
Blighted Nyss Swordsmen - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Blighted Nyss Swordsmen Abbot & Champion - Abbot & Champion: 0
THEME: Children of the Dragon ---
GENERATED : 04/28/2017 15:49:45 BUILD ID : 2039.17-03-16
I'd imagine it'd play out a bit like vyros2's griffon spam. I'm reluctant to go into testing with it however, since I won't test what I can't use in tournaments and even if the list is good I've seen too much spam invalidation from PP to own 7 soldiers.
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Post by maximumhippo on Apr 29, 2017 3:21:08 GMT
I've run this list with some minor variations for 4 games now. I like it quite a bit. I think that it plays well into a jack spam type of build if you can attrition properly. The spawning vessel is great for recurring the swordsmen. Right now i'm thinking of trading the incubi for a S&H to give the free charges. I really think that is is a fool's errand to try and maximize the free points in this theme though. there are not enough Nephilim to really offer the beast build. take advantage of the fact that Raptors and Swordsmen are all allowed as well.
Legion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon
(Kryssa 1) Kryssa, Conviction of Everblight [+31] - Azrael [21] - Harrier [3] - Nephilim Protector [10] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Warlord [5] Blighted Nyss Warlord [5] Incubus (5) [0(6)] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] - Blighted Nyss Swordsman Abbot & Champion [0(6)] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] - Blighted Nyss Swordsman Abbot & Champion [6] Spawning Vessel (max) [7]
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Post by josephkerr on Apr 29, 2017 4:10:08 GMT
Sadly helions are not free in CotD. Huge lameness.
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