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Post by Blargaliscious on Aug 8, 2017 18:03:01 GMT
I know that we all figured that this theme force was coming out, but the confirmation of it, in addition that we are talking about Doom Reavers, made this song (and Ren's solution at the end) seem appropriate: Happy Happy Joy Joy Song
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Post by benjamini on Aug 8, 2017 18:12:19 GMT
The way the insider is written, it seems kind of like either they somehow missed Doomies having Spell Ward, or it's intentional and they will be losing it in the theme. Fingers crossed I guess! Or they forgot, it isn't the first time after all. Definitely could have been... I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt
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Post by wags on Aug 8, 2017 18:13:28 GMT
I'd lean towards forgot. I was hoping for something a bit more out of this theme. The apparition is good but everything else feels like skornergy. At first glance upkeeps in play seem cool (assuming doomies are legal targets), but it's really not that hard to remove a unit of doomies at once and then you can't swap that upkeep. Like others have pointed out greylords and doomies don't do much for each other and the options free points is kind of awkward as koldun lords, escorts and forge seers want very different lists I think.
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Post by zerosequence on Aug 8, 2017 18:17:33 GMT
Seems pretty bad to me. Nobody uses doom reavers now because they just die to everything. Now, you can take more and have them die to everything. No support from greylords.
Was hoping for more.
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Post by sand20go on Aug 8, 2017 18:34:43 GMT
OW 2 will like this as well. Free cast of Reconstruct allows here to get out Windstorm to help protect the doomies on the approach and still be camping 4. VERY few things are going to enjoy coming into the windstorm to get close enough to shoot at either OW or the doomies.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Aug 8, 2017 18:40:24 GMT
Seems pretty bad to me. Nobody uses doom reavers now because they just die to everything. Now, you can take more and have them die to everything. No support from greylords. Was hoping for more. Maybe a puppy? This is going to be fun with Vlad1.
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Post by sand20go on Aug 8, 2017 18:48:18 GMT
Seems pretty bad to me. Nobody uses doom reavers now because they just die to everything. Now, you can take more and have them die to everything. No support from greylords. Was hoping for more. Maybe a puppy? This is going to be fun with Vlad1. Or Vlad3!!! Now you can get out IF on your jack and, for example, Hand of Fate on the ponies. You still can cast Dash and Windwall! That is going to be a GLORIOUS combo. You bring something like Conquest. He runs 12 to open up. Vlad casts Windwall and Dash. Your ponies run in front of Vlad and possibly B2B with the Conquest. Creating what could be a VERY long line of LOS blockage. Doomies fill in behind safe and sound. Your Ponies can help clear out infantry by the bushfull. Now order of activation probably screws you but I LOVE the idea of having a unit of doomies threaten 14 inches....cause Dash and Appiration. Of course battlewizard on Ponies...with Hand of Fate....and possibly the feat's SPRINT isn't at ALL broken. ;-) I am SO playing this.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 8, 2017 18:49:14 GMT
I don't think Strakhov would be that good in it. And his upkeeps cost his full stack and that should not be an issue turn 1. I dunno, he could speed up a unit of Doomies by 6 on Feat Turn, plus the Theme gives him access to Forge Seers for Overrun shenanigans. Well (this is wee off topic) Strakhov generally isn't fast enough to keep up with Doom Reavers. They have AD and the enemy they want to charge has to be within Strakhovs control. And he is normally 6 inches behind them. And he cant normally catch up by the time they want to engage. Strakhov not having to cast his upkeeps first turn means he can run forwards. Give him apparition first turn and that's another 2". Maybe that's enough? Seems pretty bad to me. Nobody uses doom reavers now because they just die to everything. Now, you can take more and have them die to everything. No support from greylords. Well, I guess Greylords can throw clouds on themselves and stand near the Doomreavers to give them Concealment. That's support... kinda... If you could put upkeeps on the Doomreavers then that would mabe interesting. Occultation or some other defensive buff could give one unit a chance to survive and close with the enemy. Other than that, well, it doesn't seem great at first glance. We'll see what happens when it hits CID and the new models they mention come out. Maybe we'll get something that prevents knockdown to help make the most out of Tough? or... Doomreaver archers or something? Hmm, if Doomreavers were archers, would they be carrying Fellbows or Fellarrows? You kinda think it would be the bow, but how much damage would a normal arrow do?
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Post by welshhoppo on Aug 8, 2017 18:53:24 GMT
Apparition is non warcaster.
For good reason, imagine B3 with that.
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Post by wags on Aug 8, 2017 18:57:34 GMT
Now that I've thought about it more, I think I know why this theme seems to meh to me right now. Greylords have traditionally been the plug in support pieces of khador. Trying to flesh out a full army with what is primarily support doesn't seem very good. So the army needs to have a meat of doom reavers, which can't benefit from that support as their rules stand, or outriders, which are pretty expensive and the theme doesn't really make them do what they do that much better.
Also a lot of people are talking about apparating their warcaster, the insider specifically said non-warcaster unit, so that's out.
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Post by sand20go on Aug 8, 2017 19:04:22 GMT
This should work. I am SO playing this
Vlad3 Conquest Full Ponies Doomie with Attachment Doomie with Attachment (free) Ternion Bad Santa 2 Forgeseers (both free)
Please note for laughes and sheer chuckles. You can have those Forge seers start off by putting winters winnd on a couple of ponies just to REALLY irritate your opponent.
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Post by sand20go on Aug 8, 2017 19:05:41 GMT
Now that I've thought about it more, I think I know why this theme seems to meh to me right now. Greylords have traditionally been the plug in support pieces of khador. Trying to flesh out a full army with what is primarily support doesn't seem very good. So the army needs to have a meat of doom reavers, which can't benefit from that support as their rules stand, or outriders, which are pretty expensive and the theme doesn't really make them do what they do that much better. Also a lot of people are talking about apparating their warcaster, the insider specifically said non-warcaster unit, so that's out. You clearly haven't seen the rise of mixed arms yet in your meta (see Grymkin armies) and how GLORIOUS it is going to be to use ponies and doomies when you get your upkeeps out early. I am in f'ng XMAS thinking about how fun it is going to be to roll 3 dice on piggies.
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Post by killermuppet on Aug 8, 2017 19:07:03 GMT
Not sure if you all may have caught this but taken from Shick's thread:
"The ensuing conversation with the player community about this change brought us to another, just as critical, conclusion: given the importance of theme forces to the overall game experience and their significant role in army construction, we needed to fast-track the remaining theme force rules so that every model would have a theme force to call home.
With this in mind, our development team began polishing and prepping all of the drafted theme forces waiting for their day to go through CID. Now, while these theme forces will still go through CID at a later date, we will be releasing them all in mid- to late-September in order to level the playing field (so to speak) and make sure all Factions have a diverse assortment of theme forces to choose from when you’re building an army."
What this says to me is that all the planned Theme Forces are going to be published. While they will still need to go through CID, we will get our Man-O-War Theme and any other Themes ( I would like to see the Assault Kommando Theme) that fit in for any odd ball units that have not been included in a Theme yet. Outside of MoW and Assault Kommandos the only other Units that are not in Theme would be Kayazy? and if so they could be getting there own theme (maybe).
Granted this does not include additional troops, Like the much needed Command attachments for MoWs and if they are going to expand Assault Kommandos. I could see a blending of Assault Kommandos and Kayazy into one theme. If so we are looking at a MoW, Greylord/Doom Reaver, and AK/Kayazy Theme.
Just my 2cp,
- Da Muppet
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Post by welshhoppo on Aug 8, 2017 19:07:31 GMT
You know Ponies already have winters wind as a spell right?
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Post by Fire Step on Aug 8, 2017 19:12:52 GMT
I would be enormously surprised if doom reavers lost spell ward. Doom reavers with spells on them would very quickly become OP. This as a person with 3 units with attachments dying to be used.
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