isotope
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Post by isotope on Jul 13, 2017 18:01:44 GMT
Yeah this kind of confirms my Pinon that they wanted people top break and rage and see what mercenary options they should not give to doesn't lists. Like what made me think this originaly was pagani "sure why not" to every ridiculous option people would think up of. I think they were looking for what people would take to make their theme lists busted do that they made sure not to give those busted options when the real changes rolled around Like free WE SJ in oracles? |
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Post by Ganso on Jul 13, 2017 19:08:05 GMT
Yeah this kind of confirms my Pinon that they wanted people top break and rage and see what mercenary options they should not give to doesn't lists. Like what made me think this originaly was pagani "sure why not" to every ridiculous option people would think up of. I think they were looking for what people would take to make their theme lists busted do that they made sure not to give those busted options when the real changes rolled around Like free WE SJ in oracles? All "What If" questions are valid in the context of running tests. This applies to any empirical method. Even in computational sciences (one of my grad school fields of study) you sometimes have to add crap data to the search space in order to get unstuck from Local Max/Mins and find that elusive Global Max/Min. Really guys, it's OK if PP wants us testing bonkers shit. |
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Post by marke on Jul 13, 2017 19:44:38 GMT
So people aren't allowed to change games now, without being labeled juvenile?
Don't know about you guys, but I've little emotional connection to games and companies. Much like if my favorite band puts out a bad record, I won't buy it and pretend to like it.
Because, honestly, I don't know how mature is to attach your identity/ego/self-esteem to a THING, and rather change yourself than change the thing. I know it happens a lot, but that still don't make it reasonable behavior.
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Post by darkshroud on Jul 13, 2017 19:50:07 GMT
dear PP,
just stop talking to everyone for a while and straighten out this edition and release new books for 3.5. this is getting ridiculous.
thanks,
me
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 13, 2017 19:57:16 GMT
dear PP, just stop talking to everyone for a while and straighten out this edition and release new books for 3.5. this is getting ridiculous. thanks, me Because that worked wonders for MKIII. |
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Post by darkshroud on Jul 13, 2017 20:02:45 GMT
dear PP, just stop talking to everyone for a while and straighten out this edition and release new books for 3.5. this is getting ridiculous. thanks, me Because that worked wonders for MKIII. did you mean mk2? bc i honestly didnt see much of a problem with the end of mk2. so they nerf cryx some and buff skorn and re-write some unit rules and let you premeasure every thing and give power up and if a medium/large beast is dead you can leach off it and focus changes. i dont think it was enough for an edition change definitely not, heres a whole new mk3 rule book and faction info books. now they need to go back and look at all the themes that went through cid already and were balanced around not including mercs to now go through and see what happens when you give them a couple. it just seems like its a mess right now. EDIT: the mess being, adding mercs to themes then needing to rebalance them. cid has been fine and things seem in shape outside of that. i think |
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Post by pangurban on Jul 13, 2017 20:08:27 GMT
So people aren't allowed to change games now, without being labeled juvenile? Don't know about you guys, but I've little emotional connection to games and companies. Much like if my favorite band puts out a bad record, I won't buy it and pretend to like it. Because, honestly, I don't know how mature is to attach your identity/ego/self-esteem to a THING, and rather change yourself than change the thing. I know it happens a lot, but that still don't make it reasonable behavior. I don't think anyone said anything like that here. That certain reactions and how they were expressed were immature, sure, but not that changing games is juvenile. Personally I have a lot of emotional connections to games I've played, mostly RPGs but also boardgames, minis games and computer games. I'm not touching AD&D 2nd edition with a 10-ft pole any more and TSR certainly ran D&D completely into the ground back in the day, but that doesn't mean I don't have very fond memories of the years of fun I had with it. |
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Jul 13, 2017 20:17:52 GMT
So people aren't allowed to change games now, without being labeled juvenile? Don't know about you guys, but I've little emotional connection to games and companies. Much like if my favorite band puts out a bad record, I won't buy it and pretend to like it. Because, honestly, I don't know how mature is to attach your identity/ego/self-esteem to a THING, and rather change yourself than change the thing. I know it happens a lot, but that still don't make it reasonable behavior. It's not people leaving a game that bothers me. It's those who when they keave a game make a effort to destroy the game once they go. I think in 5 of the last 8 times I've gone to play gsmes casually or in SR theres one guy in my local meta who hasnt played a single game of mk3 and actively spreads rumors and trash talks PP. He will stick around for an entire steam roller just to trash talk the game. That is what i consider juvenile. |
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 13, 2017 20:49:04 GMT
Well first of all MKII had a public playtest. Second of all, I thought it was still mostly Garbage. The ideology of "If its all broken nothing is LOL" doesn't work unless literally everything is broken in some way. And then it will result in massive spikes of effectiveness where some stuff could flat out do nothing to other stuff. Anyway more playtests=Better. |
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Post by tesoe on Jul 13, 2017 22:00:37 GMT
dear PP, just stop talking to everyone for a while and straighten out this edition and release new books for 3.5. this is getting ridiculous. thanks, me It took me a second to realize you were not talking about the old d20 version of the RPG. |
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Post by marke on Jul 14, 2017 0:33:09 GMT
It's not people leaving a game that bothers me. It's those who when they keave a game make a effort to destroy the game once they go. I think in 5 of the last 8 times I've gone to play gsmes casually or in SR theres one guy in my local meta who hasnt played a single game of mk3 and actively spreads rumors and trash talks PP. He will stick around for an entire steam roller just to trash talk the game. That is what i consider juvenile. Sorry you've had this kind of experience. That kind of emphasizes my point though; the person in your example might've been a bit too emotionally invested in the game, and when the game is not catering to his every whim anymore, he feels personally insulted or disappointed and makes sure everyone around him knows that. Raging in internet is another thing. I know people might feel equally bad or annoyed about a person trashtalking their favorite thing, but I don't know how seriously internet talk can or should be taken.. for many people, it's a safe way to release their disappointment and move on. Talking never hurt nobody unless things get personal. In my books, whining a bit about a bad game is totally alright - blaming other people for playing it isn't. Those same people willing to burn the game if they decide to quit are ususally (IME) the ones who take whining personally as well. I know things aren't this black/white in reality, but hey, this is the internet and I'm happy to hide behind it  |
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 14, 2017 1:09:06 GMT
The CID process is working as intended IMHO. It's supposed to prevent the developers from releasing dumb stuff, and it is. I agree with Rowdy, more testing is better. I think people on the CID forget that Week 1 =\= a released model and stuff canard has changed a lot. Some people can get too hot tempered in their posts, though, that's for sure! I'm personally glad to see PP being more transparent.
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Post by pangurban on Jul 14, 2017 1:11:25 GMT
It's not people leaving a game that bothers me. It's those who when they keave a game make a effort to destroy the game once they go. I think in 5 of the last 8 times I've gone to play gsmes casually or in SR theres one guy in my local meta who hasnt played a single game of mk3 and actively spreads rumors and trash talks PP. He will stick around for an entire steam roller just to trash talk the game. That is what i consider juvenile. Sorry you've had this kind of experience. That kind of emphasizes my point though; the person in your example might've been a bit too emotionally invested in the game, and when the game is not catering to his every whim anymore, he feels personally insulted or disappointed and makes sure everyone around him knows that. Raging in internet is another thing. I know people might feel equally bad or annoyed about a person trashtalking their favorite thing, but I don't know how seriously internet talk can or should be taken.. for many people, it's a safe way to release their disappointment and move on. Talking never hurt nobody unless things get personal. In my books, whining a bit about a bad game is totally alright - blaming other people for playing it isn't. Those same people willing to burn the game if they decide to quit are ususally (IME) the ones who take whining personally as well. I know things aren't this black/white in reality, but hey, this is the internet and I'm happy to hide behind it That's not being emotionally invested, that's feeling entitled. Not the same thing. |
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Post by benkei on Jul 14, 2017 7:19:21 GMT
I must be the only Merc player here, because what I read there is "real factions are getting real theme forces with a lot of nice new releases -see Northkin, Gravediggers- but you'll be getting a crappy pdf which will solve nothing because Firetruck you"
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Jul 14, 2017 7:23:22 GMT
I must be the only Merc player here, because what I read there is "real factions are getting real theme forces with a lot of nice new releases -see Northkin, Gravediggers- but you'll be getting a crappy pdf which will solve nothing because Firetruck you" Those are pp's words exactly. |
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