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Post by Aegis on Jun 24, 2017 2:56:54 GMT
The elven Gods disappearing is a recent thing (Just few centuries), pretty much exactly coinciding with the Gift of Magic being donated to humans by Thamar, and that curious coincidence in time is exactly the main "proof" Retribution uses to justify their claim that the death of the elven gods is caused by human mages. "Exactly coinciding" meaning "Happened an entire decade afterwards" but let's not let facts get in the way of a good crusade of human extermination. The "pretty much" part was for that around 10 years difference. And also, both events are quite hard to set on a specific time. When did the Gift begin? When the first human used magic? When that human was born, having the talent of magic for the first time? And even if there was a specific date for both events, couldn't the two event being related, but just a bit delayed by the time needed by the cause (gift) to provoke the effect (elven gods die). Sure, it is all a supposition and Retribution has no proofs of sorts, they just want to find a culpript for their suffering, but they do have a point into the two events being quite couriously almost coincident in time (10 years are nothing for a millennial history).
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Post by greytemplar on Jun 24, 2017 3:15:20 GMT
Toruk has basically been around since the beginning of time. His origins are known only to himself, and he isn't exactly chatty about it.
All we know of Toruk is that at some point in the distant past, he decided to break his Athanc into pieces to create more dragons to serve him. His children however were not interested in this and they rebelled. And ever since all he has wanted to do is destroy them all and reabsorb them. Beyond this, we know nothing of Toruk's motivations, purpose, or even where he came from. The Nightmare Empire exists because Toruk decided he needed minions to help in his quest to eat all his children. His servants all have their own agendas of course, largely battling for Toruk's favor. But aside from how useful they are in his quest to consume the other dragons, Toruk has no interest in the affairs of mortals.
It's extremely unlikely that Toruk has anything to do with the Elven god's disappearance and presumed deaths.
The only theory with some potential is that Thamar sacrificed the Elven gods to Infernals in a pact to give mankind arcane magic, and that this was only part of the price. Some other price was set to be due later, and that date is pretty close. The Elven gods might have been a downpayment of sorts. Or it could just be a coincidence and the Elven gods died of "natural causes" due to being stuck on Caen.
If Scyrah ever speaks she could shed some light on what happened.
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Post by greytemplar on Jun 24, 2017 3:17:16 GMT
"Exactly coinciding" meaning "Happened an entire decade afterwards" but let's not let facts get in the way of a good crusade of human extermination. The "pretty much" part was for that around 10 years difference. And also, both events are quite hard to set on a specific time. When did the Gift begin? When the first human used magic? When that human was born, having the talent of magic for the first time? And even if there was a specific date for both events, couldn't the two event being related, but just a bit delayed by the time needed by the cause (gift) to provoke the effect (elven gods die). Sure, it is all a supposition and Retribution has no proofs of sorts, they just want to find a culpript for their suffering, but they do have a point into the two events being quite couriously almost coincident in time (10 years are nothing for a millennial history). The timing the elves use to justify their hatred of humans is that the first human magic users were born right around the time of their god's presumed deaths. The Gift didn't, as far as anyone could tell, give anybody magic retroactively. It only worked on humans born after the event.
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Post by elladan52 on Jun 24, 2017 3:43:37 GMT
Plus there is an exact date for the presumed death of the gods. I don't know it offhand, but there was a specific date when all the priests (except scyrah's) went insane.
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Post by greytemplar on Jun 24, 2017 18:51:09 GMT
Yes. That happened at a very specific date. It's kinda hard to miss hundreds of priests going insane at the exact same time.
After some time passed, elves noticed that humans began to use magic much more commonly. After some digging, they noticed that all these mages seemed to have been born around the same time or after their priests went nuts. Then Scyrah came home half dead and collapsed into a coma.
Their conclusion was that human magic had something to do with it.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jun 24, 2017 19:12:11 GMT
I think some other thing. I think things happened at the same time. Some third thing allowed Thamar to grant the gift as WELL as killed off the Elven Gods.
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