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Post by piedpiperwtf on Jun 14, 2017 3:17:37 GMT
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Legion of Everblight - abs1 rfp
Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Absylonia, Terror of Everblight - WB: +31 - Shredder - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) - Shredder - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) - Shredder - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) - Shredder - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) - Shredder - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) - Shredder - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) - Shredder - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) - Shredder - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 3) - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Proteus - PC: 19 - Shredder - PC: 4
The Forsaken - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 Beast Mistress - PC: 0 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 Beast Mistress - PC: 0 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1
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GENERATED : 06/13/2017 22:14:41 BUILD ID : 2042.17-05-22
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 3:26:50 GMT
Why Abby 1? For the feat?
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princeraven
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Post by princeraven on Jun 14, 2017 4:06:34 GMT
Snacking does not work on Undead.
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Post by snotling on Jun 14, 2017 6:22:09 GMT
Yea. We cant even go all out on rfp xD. Also wrong Abby.
I guess your best bet could be thags 1. And then try to get the leaders with the help of spell martyrs.
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Legion of Everblight - Thagrosh Throne
Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight - WB: +28 - Angelius - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Angelius - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8 - Typhon - PC: 24
Throne of Everblight (CID) PC: 17 Throne of Everblight (CID) PC: 17
Spell Martyr - PC: 1 Spell Martyr - PC: 1 Spell Martyr - PC: 1 Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0
THEME: Oracles of Annihilation ---
GENERATED : 06/14/2017 08:18:25 BUILD ID : 2042.17-05-22
Maybe something like this? I would love to get Seraph, Bloodseer or Hex Hunters in. But will see how the testing goes.
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Post by maximumhippo on Jun 14, 2017 6:42:11 GMT
You'll have to get all three leaders in the same turn if you're going to try to mutagenesis them. As soon as the Cryx player sees it coming, the spell martyrs are just gone. You can't even play cagey with terrain because of ghost shot. I do like the throne idea though. Volume of attacks there is really good.
I think that the best Legion answer right now is Ravagores and/or Teraphs. Blot out the sun with Dragonfire.
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Post by snotling on Jun 14, 2017 7:20:51 GMT
True, the problem with ravagores is, a AOE4" for 19 points isnt really all that much volume of attacks.
I play two ravagores with lylyth1 and double throne, and in the last game the list tabled three max units of banes. the scathers are really good at keeping the trones alive. If the banes are clumped up, the trone can kill a whole unit (even with tough), if the spread out, the throne kills a couple and the ravagores arcing fire scathers so the rest cant really charge.
As that doesn't work against ghost fleet, I dont really see a good list against it. just overpowering the recursion doesn't seem like a good way to play with legion.
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Post by Whiskie on Jun 14, 2017 7:24:26 GMT
I'm not sure Legion actually has a way of powering through all the recursion. The only list I've seen that looks like it has any chance is a local's Lylyth2 list which was something like:
Legion Army - 75 / 75 points
(Lylyth 2) Lylyth, Shadow of Everblight [+28] - Azrael [21] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11] - Seraph [14] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Strider Deathstalker [4] Strider Deathstalker [4] The Forsaken [4] Blighted Nyss Archers (max) [13] - Blighted Nyss Archer Officer & Ammo Porter [5] Blighted Nyss Archers (max) [13] - Blighted Nyss Archer Officer & Ammo Porter [5]
And then the problem this list has is that it doesn't have much ability to play into things that aren't Ghost Fleet.
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Post by snotling on Jun 14, 2017 7:25:55 GMT
as our cryx player just bought all the pirates, how does the ghost fleet handle stealth?
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Post by Whiskie on Jun 14, 2017 7:28:25 GMT
as our cryx player just bought all the pirates, how does the ghost fleet handle stealth? Stealth helps shut down one of Ghost Fleet's favorite win conditions which are big CRA's from the riflemen onto casters who are knocked down and debuffed by Denny. Unfortunately surviving the assassination on its own is nowhere near sufficient to overcome the problem with recursion.
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princeraven
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Post by princeraven on Jun 14, 2017 7:46:14 GMT
My hope is just to go all out on a strong assassination Warlock, the more I look at the match up the more I think that's our only real option to win that doesn't rely on poor positioning of leader models.
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Post by whydak on Jun 14, 2017 8:35:23 GMT
Im not concerned about ghost fleet to much because only person playing it locally has about 99% win ratio against me anyway But maybe anti Wurmwood list ? conflictchamber.com/#ca201baCg_bwaRcofFfTfTb2eqLegion Army - 75 / 75 points (Thagrosh 1) Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight [+28] - Azrael [21] - Proteus [19] - Typhon [24] Spell Martyr [1] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Hellmouth [6] Hellmouth [6] Spawning Vessel (max) [7] Sacral Vault [18] Vault has nice infanty control and can stop parasite or some other spells. Also vault shoot can stop leader promotion. Maybe Thags will manage to RFP one to.
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Post by maximumhippo on Jun 14, 2017 9:49:29 GMT
True, the problem with ravagores is, a AOE4" for 19 points isnt really all that much volume of attacks. I play two ravagores with lylyth1 and double throne, and in the last game the list tabled three max units of banes. the scathers are really good at keeping the trones alive. If the banes are clumped up, the trone can kill a whole unit (even with tough), if the spread out, the throne kills a couple and the ravagores arcing fire scathers so the rest cant really charge. As that doesn't work against ghost fleet, I dont really see a good list against it. just overpowering the recursion doesn't seem like a good way to play with legion. Are you saying that it doesn't work against ghost fleet because of the recursion or because of the guns so the scathers can't dictate movement? I've got this dumb idea, I started a thread about running guns with Abby2 a while back and this idea popped into my head. 2-3 ravagores and 1-2 Teraphs, all with Return Fire on them every turn. Basically Shoot them up, then you present the Ravagores and Teraphs as the best/easiest targets so on their turn when they try to shoot the Ravs or Teraphs, you shoot them on their turn maybe killing some shots post recursion. Return Fire doesn't specify that it needs to target the model that attacked it, so feel free to shoot the riflemen that haven't shot yet. If their hiding behind terrain, that might be a problem but it might have some legs. Something like this conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0tewaQbvbvboboaNaNbucob9b9brLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Oracles of Annihilation (Absylonia 2) Absylonia, Daughter of Everblight [+28] - Carnivean [19] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Ravagore [19] - Ravagore [19] - Teraph [10] - Teraph [10] - Succubus [0(4)] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [0(4)] The Forsaken [0(4)] Blackfrost Shard [9]
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Post by cainuslupus on Jun 14, 2017 11:34:29 GMT
Lylyth3 is probably our best bet. Maybe Vayl2. Even under her Feat if you hit her once and make stationary she is dead, because it's hard to miss Def5 caster.
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Post by Korianneder on Jun 14, 2017 12:17:29 GMT
I think the sacral vault is a good idea if you're trying to get a list designed to play into ghost fleet. It's got high armor so it's pretty defensive against the guns, it can be immune to the single wound infantry charging it, and it can help protect against Denny's spells.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jun 14, 2017 12:48:22 GMT
just a comment on scather AoE spam. We do have an artillery crew. 5pts for another range 14 pow14 aoe 4 corrosion scather. I know it's not popular and yada yada. But even if rifles get to it it takes 4 shots to kill it since it comes with 3 grunts and take up. But gain, playing towards a gimmick idea.
I think CID throne has a good chance to try and scythe through the units. Spells to target the leader model and rifleman directly. But even then you're looking at way more models than it could kill in a perfect scenario.
Actually, Blight wasps! They don't RFP but they get killing spree. With Abby 2 you'd get a 14" threat Mat 7 pow 10 before, 2" reach, cumulative gang. If you can feat before Denny, you really wouldn't be able to stop them. You biggest limitation would be their cmd range.
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