sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Jul 19, 2020 20:12:41 GMT
I haven't played him in TFA since the beacon update, but everything he does besides Henchmen is just better in WWFF. If you absolutely want to play in thornfall, he's definitely not the worst warlock for that. But his kit just synergizes way better with the WWFF roster... Personally I've had a lot of fun with Nyss Hunters. They're possibly the best Phantasm target in faction; their natural def 14 means they benefit greatly from duelist and/or from the MAT debuff from Distraction; they hit pretty hard on feat turn; beacon let's them threaten 13". And you don't mind a couple dying on the approach because they feed souls to your voids Yeah dont woory, i am not married to the idea of him in thornfall. Which is why my question was half sarcasitic because i did not expect beacon to suddenly turn the tables in thornfall. Its the saddest excuse of the threat range extender the theme desperately needs.
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Post by gobber on Jul 19, 2020 21:35:08 GMT
I haven't played him in TFA since the beacon update, but everything he does besides Henchmen is just better in WWFF. If you absolutely want to play in thornfall, he's definitely not the worst warlock for that. But his kit just synergizes way better with the WWFF roster... Personally I've had a lot of fun with Nyss Hunters. They're possibly the best Phantasm target in faction; their natural def 14 means they benefit greatly from duelist and/or from the MAT debuff from Distraction; they hit pretty hard on feat turn; beacon let's them threaten 13". And you don't mind a couple dying on the approach because they feed souls to your voids Yeah dont woory, i am not married to the idea of him in thornfall. Which is why my question was half sarcasitic because i did not expect beacon to suddenly turn the tables in thornfall. Its the saddest excuse of the threat range extender the theme desperately needs. Which of course WWFF is getting instead in Boomhowler3's bloodthirst for all your beasts (and hoof it/shout down for the few nonboomhowler units in theme)...
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Post by sorokin on Jul 19, 2020 22:28:04 GMT
I mean i wont be mad the catch all theme gets a good non farrow model. That just happens.
At this point the VoD CID is pretty much the last chance for thornfall to pick up a model with meaningful threat extention. But if all new models are spoiled already, i dont see the the sapper having something like desperate place.
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Post by Azahul on Jul 20, 2020 3:22:20 GMT
Back when the new theme was first announced, it was pretty clear that there was only going to be one Farrow model among the new releases. And we've now seen it. That leaves Thornfall pretty convincingly dead in the water I think. I can't imagine they're going to CID those Farrow models that aren't in the new theme, which means any Farrow buffs we receive will also be available in the new theme. And with only Arkadius and Sturm excluded from the new theme (and maybe Midas), Warlocks who wouldn't run in Thornfall no matter how good Farrow infantry gets, there's no conceivable reason I can imagine for the any Warlock to pick Thornfall over the new theme.
If Midas does get carved out then there is a niche there I suppose. He's the only Farrow Warlock who seriously buffs damage at range, and the only one besides Helga2 who buffs damage turn-to-turn instead of just Feat turn, so if arm skew creeps back into the meta then he might have a role as an off-list. That doesn't seem enormously likely though.
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Post by Gaston on Jul 22, 2020 2:52:25 GMT
I gave him a poke in Thornfall, just for grins.
List was:
Lord Azazello -War Hog -War Hog Brun -Lug Efaarit Scout Efaarit Scout Hutchuck Maximus Farrow Brigands (max) -Warlord Farrow Commandos (min) Slaughterhousers Slaughterhousers Slaughterhousers
Went up versus Aurora1 with x2 Soul Hunters, x3 Negation Angels, Gaspy, x2 Void. It wasn't the worst match up ever for me, but the incorporeal was rough to deal with. I shoulda taken x2 Dhunian Archons instead of the Efaarit. Ended up winning on attrition, surviving a helluva assassination run (seriously that is no joke), and getting 6-0 on CPs.
However.......that was like playing a wet paper bag. Never really used any of the spells. I think the issue you really, really run into with TFA that will not get fixed is the fury support, and lack of it. You just don't have the resources you need and you really miss out on the Bone Shrines and Soul Slave. Same goes for Midas, Helga1. Any caster that you could want to slot into TFA still needs the tools from WWFF.
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Post by Azahul on Jul 22, 2020 3:10:33 GMT
Gaston! Dude! Hi! I would actually address the content of the post but at the moment I'm just giddy from seeing you post buddy
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Post by Gaston on Jul 22, 2020 3:19:55 GMT
Hahaha, turns out I'm really impressed with Wartable!!!
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Post by Azahul on Jul 22, 2020 3:20:07 GMT
Ok, so, I actually haven't been using Fury support with him in my games. He actually doesn't have much to do with it, though it would make him better if you want to play him on the front line and actually do work (which is a compelling concept, I'll admit, and one I do want to get the hang of the next time I put him on the table). The main thing he misses in Thornfall I find is a lot of those high quality Ripostes and, more importantly, high armour high wound models that become extremely annoying to dislodge on Feat turn.
The next Riot Quest wave looks set to expand that variety even further with Kogan (a Tharn with Smite on his melee attacks), Boomhowler3 (who has Knockdown on his melee attacks), and Gudrun2 (a fair few hit points and a defence buff against range and magic). At the moment even Gudrun isn't going to be in Thornfall... for some reason, so WWFF is his only source. And Gudrun probably isn't the most relevant model of the bunch anyway.
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Post by Gaston on Jul 22, 2020 3:32:43 GMT
I 100% agree on high wound, high armor, high value riposte. I'm not even looking to get him in the mix, after a couple upkeeps and a boosted spell, bro is running dry. They've updated TFA with solos before, so you always hope they trickle down, and the benefits are better buuuuttttt.....nopes. But dammit I had to try it out and see, it always teases you as a "maybe it could work"... And you're right about all the KD and Smite coming too. Looks like we violently agree.
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Post by Azahul on Jul 22, 2020 7:40:52 GMT
They had an insider a little while back detailing the themes that would be updated to accommodate the new models. It was just a bit weird to see that Gudrun2 wasn't being added to TFA, given that Gudrun1 is already there... *insert the usual jokes about PP forgetting TFA exists here*
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Post by Dirhavel on Jul 22, 2020 11:19:25 GMT
I suppose we could already play test games with those models and send feedback to Hungerford. Then lament that Gudrun really should be in TFA. But that's likely just an oversight, so that's an easy thing to correct in the grand scheme of things
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Jul 22, 2020 12:26:48 GMT
Gaston! Dude! Hi! I would actually address the content of the post but at the moment I'm just giddy from seeing you post buddy No one comes back like Gaston is welcomed back like Gaston Makes us so incredibly psyched like Gaston "I'm so very impressed with online tables!"
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Post by Gaston on Jul 23, 2020 2:30:22 GMT
Is it weird he makes me more excited for Midas?
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Post by Azahul on Jul 27, 2020 1:10:13 GMT
Gudrun2? I could see it. There's a weird solo-heavy WWFF Midas build out there once these solos drop. Bring the usual Soul Slave/Spirit Cauldron for fuelling Midas, use the latter to fuel Kogan too, and then throw Battle Lust on him and watch him just trash a heavy on his own. Plus the usual Wastelander/Dhunian Archon/Valkyrie packages for delivery, made even harder to shoot with Gudrun.
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Post by qc on Aug 7, 2020 9:38:24 GMT
Can you share gudrun2 rules? I cannot find it on my own.
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