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Post by garou on Feb 27, 2018 7:55:43 GMT
It's a 6 month season, how many Champion events are there in a 6 Month period? Something around 0 It's a format that is basically non existent outside the US. As there are no Champions events to play in, nobody practises for them. Which means that when one pops up it get's no attendance, since nobody is prepared for it. Meaning TOs won't set up Champions in the future, so even less people prepare for them etc etc. Can only talk for my region but januarys Conquest in Norway had one and we have one in Stockholm later this month so i'm going to disagree here. Around here nobody cares about coming prepared to local events. Nobody is skipping local events just cause they have not played 100 games with the lists they bring. It's more fun to play than not and thats enough. |
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Post by Hjard on Feb 27, 2018 8:43:33 GMT
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Post by isotope on Feb 27, 2018 10:31:39 GMT
Ive only ever played it at cons. At NOVA last year it was really fun. Fully painted limited to four casters really makes things interesting. There was a good turnout last year but these changes would likely make the amount of people who can participate drop.
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Post by Trollock on Feb 27, 2018 11:48:31 GMT
As for the popularty of champions, i have never played it, BUT i was going to try it out for the next event i organize. I did a little poll on the swedish warmachine forum to see if "the usual crowd" would like to try, and the response was very positive. Every one who responded would either be more inclined to attend if the event was a champions event, or just as likely to attend as if it was SR. This was before this CID stuff was revealed.
I do not think this will be replacing SR as the standard way to play, but ppl seem to like it as a pallet cleanser. A limited format will have fluctuations in how well different factions preform depending on what they are allowed to bring, but they have taken steps to reduce the advantage that the limited faction have had in the format. I doubt you will play more than one champions tournament every 6 month cycle so why not just see it like a fun exercise and opportunity to play different lists? You can still be hyper competitive because if you are good at analyzing what every one else is likely to bring (and that becomes more manageable with this limited format than in SR) you can "play the meta" and get a really strong pairing. If you think your faction is disadvantaged this cycle, they might be better off next cycle. In the other ten or however many tournaments you play in a year it will be normal steamroller so you still have that to look forward to.
It is not like they took something away from you by introducing a new champions format. It was basically non-existent and if you do not like it, you can play in SR events instead. For those of us who like the idea of a limited format this poses some new and fun opportunities!
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Post by crimsyn on Feb 27, 2018 17:44:56 GMT
Ive only ever played it at cons. At NOVA last year it was really fun. Fully painted limited to four casters really makes things interesting. There was a good turnout last year but these changes would likely make the amount of people who can participate drop. That’s the thing that really bothers me about the removal of the painting requirement. Because none of the other formats have a painting requirement as default, that means I get to go to one fully painted event per year (a Champions at a large convention a few hours away). This is apparently too much for some people who think I’m a jerk for supporting having some painting requirements once in a while to cater to people who like painted armies. |
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Post by Trollock on Feb 27, 2018 18:08:54 GMT
Ive only ever played it at cons. At NOVA last year it was really fun. Fully painted limited to four casters really makes things interesting. There was a good turnout last year but these changes would likely make the amount of people who can participate drop. That’s the thing that really bothers me about the removal of the painting requirement. Because none of the other formats have a painting requirement as default, that means I get to go to one fully painted event per year (a Champions at a large convention a few hours away). This is apparently too much for some people who think I’m a jerk for supporting having some painting requirements once in a while to cater to people who like painted armies. Then again Masters have required painting since forever, so maybe it is the non-painting ppls time in the sun now? |
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Post by crimsyn on Feb 27, 2018 18:26:03 GMT
That’s the thing that really bothers me about the removal of the painting requirement. Because none of the other formats have a painting requirement as default, that means I get to go to one fully painted event per year (a Champions at a large convention a few hours away). This is apparently too much for some people who think I’m a jerk for supporting having some painting requirements once in a while to cater to people who like painted armies. Then again Masters have required painting since forever, so maybe it is the non-painting ppls time in the sun now? Masters doesn’t currently have a painting requirement. Honestly, I’m not picky about which one, I just think one of the three (SR, Champions, or Masters) should retain the painting requirement, both to cater to people who like fully painted tournaments, and to reinforce the idea that a fully painted army is something to aspire to. |
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Post by killroundears on Mar 2, 2018 8:17:50 GMT
Then again Masters have required painting since forever, so maybe it is the non-painting ppls time in the sun now? Masters doesn’t currently have a painting requirement. Honestly, I’m not picky about which one, I just think one of the three (SR, Champions, or Masters) should retain the painting requirement, both to cater to people who like fully painted tournaments, and to reinforce the idea that a fully painted army is something to aspire to. I've never seen holding someones ability to attend a tournament at gunpoint through way of "paint or be removed" a good way to inspire people to paint |
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Mar 3, 2018 1:40:46 GMT
When it comes to things like painting requirements, I think that carrots are better than sticks. You can still offer a prize for best painted.
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Post by skormedlover87 on Mar 3, 2018 3:54:46 GMT
If you want a fully painted tourney, then have one. Make your own event, let it be known across the land. Have multiple painting awards; Best in Show army, Best Character, Best Unit, etc etc. Aquire special prize support, (pp may help, especially if you rope in a charity as a beneficiary of tournament proceeds). Have a lunch session where there's a 1hr painting competition for some specific model.
You don't need pp's help to have a specialized steamroller format, just do it if you want one.
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Post by crimsyn on Mar 3, 2018 17:52:55 GMT
If you want a fully painted tourney, then have one. Make your own event, let it be known across the land. Have multiple painting awards; Best in Show army, Best Character, Best Unit, etc etc. Aquire special prize support, (pp may help, especially if you rope in a charity as a beneficiary of tournament proceeds). Have a lunch session where there's a 1hr painting competition for some specific model. You don't need pp's help to have a specialized steamroller format, just do it if you want one. If you want an unpainted champions, then have one. Make your own event, etc. You don't need PP's help to have a specialized champions format, just do it if you want one. |
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Post by mcdermott on Mar 3, 2018 23:54:14 GMT
If you want a fully painted tourney, then have one. Make your own event, let it be known across the land. Have multiple painting awards; Best in Show army, Best Character, Best Unit, etc etc. Aquire special prize support, (pp may help, especially if you rope in a charity as a beneficiary of tournament proceeds). Have a lunch session where there's a 1hr painting competition for some specific model. You don't need pp's help to have a specialized steamroller format, just do it if you want one. If you want an unpainted champions, then have one. Make your own event, etc. You don't need PP's help to have a specialized champions format, just do it if you want one. Tournaments require participation, which is more common, people without fully painted armies or people with fully painted armies? |
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Post by oncomingstorm on Mar 4, 2018 0:23:37 GMT
If you want an unpainted champions, then have one. Make your own event, etc. You don't need PP's help to have a specialized champions format, just do it if you want one. Tournaments require participation, which is more common, people without fully painted armies or people with fully painted armies? I know that there are no TOs in my area that would ever institute a painting requirement voluntarily - they (and I) see it as an unnecessary burden on players. Painting required tourneys don't often happen in my area, because of how damn hard it is to find enough players with fully painted armies. Make it a variant if you must, don't force the rest of us to abide by your criteria as to how the game should look (not speaking to you, mcdermott ). I fail to see how your preference in playing against fully painted models gives you any right to dictate how I play my models. crimsyn - if you want to play fully painted, I suggest you offer to paint your opponent's armies for them, or pay for them to be painted. Failing that, you're making unreasonable demands upon other players. |
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Post by Choco on Mar 5, 2018 17:46:26 GMT
Well, the CID Forums have been scrubbed clean of the steamroller CID in preparation for the Crucible Guard CID. Hope you all had fun!
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Post by crimsyn on Mar 5, 2018 18:53:18 GMT
Tournaments require participation, which is more common, people without fully painted armies or people with fully painted armies? I know that there are no TOs in my area that would ever institute a painting requirement voluntarily - they (and I) see it as an unnecessary burden on players. Painting required tourneys don't often happen in my area, because of how damn hard it is to find enough players with fully painted armies. Make it a variant if you must, don't force the rest of us to abide by your criteria as to how the game should look (not speaking to you, mcdermott ). I fail to see how your preference in playing against fully painted models gives you any right to dictate how I play my models. crimsyn - if you want to play fully painted, I suggest you offer to paint your opponent's armies for them, or pay for them to be painted. Failing that, you're making unreasonable demands upon other players. First, I’m not suggesting that all tournaments be painted, I’m suggesting that PP keep painting requirements as default for one of their variants. Basically, I’m suggesting that PP should maintain status quo. Also, it’s not me dictating how people play their models. Play with coins and scraps of paper for all I care. But painted minis generally enhance the experience for everyone at the table, so I am suggesting that PP retain said requirement in one of their tournament formats. As an asides PP already has pretty strict conversion rules. I like to do conversions, and I’ve run into issues where it is difficult or impossible to do a conversion I want and stay within the rules. PP already dictates how I play with my models; I can’t bring owlbear cavalry or too heavily converted models to tournaments. It’s not unreasonable for a company that goes so far as to specify the profile of the rim of your base to have a format that has painting requirements. Finally, I do offer painting advice to new players, help them figure out what to buy to get started, co-host hobby nights at an FLGS, produce hobby content for the internet, and have in the past helped people pin their models when they kept breaking on them. I don’t do commission painting for free (which is a ridiculous demand — how about you buy me a new army?), but I do my share of promoting the hobby aspect. |
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