Fighting against ARM

I personally love pThags, which I usually run in CotD. My three character heavies are sitting at 13/21 (Zuriel), 13/20(Typhon ~22 w/o grevious), and 12/22 (Azrael). pThags also has twisted form (which really throws beast bricks for a loop), a damage buff with fire immunity (surprisingly comes up a lot vs trolls) and a powerful attrition feat. Swordsmen are also a great tool against beast bricks, and fire immunity gets rid of a lot of trolls anti-infantry tricks. pThags in oracles is also a solid option, especially when the changes to the carni chassis go through. If you are curious I have a video somewhere of pThags CotD going against eBorka Storm of the North from the winner's table at a tournament, the core of three character beasts just never suffer significant damage from his army and twisted form punishes his Rok.

I also like Fyanna, she can hot swap fury and her feat puts your beasts just out of range of easy targets.

In terms of models, swordsmen are fantastic armor crackers and will chew through infantry (another point for CotD). The naga can help you get around pesky upkeeps, and has a nice crit effect for tripping up beasts. The Scythian acts as a hard counter to specific troll threats like Madrak1, and will become a more viable counter when the CID goes through with his huge point reduction.

Ravens can work well against trolls too due to the fact that it can bring hellmouths, raptors (poison bows are great), and strider deathstalkers (who are brutal against single wound infantry). I have had some success using Fyanna Ravens hot swapping fury around the board, but to be honest I prefer pThags CotD.

Sooo List don't change. You just must pray for dense terrain table and abuse it well. I wouldn't call it fair fight but its doable. When you manage to turtle around building or something you can abuse flight ect to fight jacks one by one. Cut Cortex with Zuriel, apply shadow bind and leave jack in the way. Craelix and team should focus on support stuff.

Welcome to the club!

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I mean, uhh... I think if you play with the CiD rules for the Carni chassis you can get a bit better into jack spam. Aby 2 is probably the greatest enabler. The free charge and +2 str makes for a significant swing in our favor. Even if you don't get the alpha strike, her psycho surgery nearly makes sure all systems are back to functioning.

Thagrosh 1 is good at certain things. But I personally feel that trowing a single brick at a brick wall is less than optimal. He can help tank a little bit better but his kit is not suited as much for constructs.

Thagrosh 2 and shredders still make for fantastic trades. The Dice manipulation of MD with flank can net some impressive spikes. I then use his feat to disengage the lights/heavies and push the shredders further in as speed bumps.

Kryssa and Fyanna can be built for good anti-armor. Though respectably Fyanna has a better chance of survival where as Kryssa has greater capacity for damage.

Lastly, there is a community love for throwing Rhyas 2 into jacks and having her, somehow, kill the world. I myself do not get this to happen reliably, but maybe your friend can.

Abby2 had been good for me. Though one problem can be if they hold a second wave back our beasts are rather expensive to trade with.

Zuriel is pretty killer against my jacks. With precision strike he can normally slice out a cortex quite easily. And he's just hard enough to hit that you can dodge him easily enough.


Just make sure he doesn't get knocked on his arse.

It's even better than that. A charging Combo striking Zuriel has a pretty good chance of slicing out a Khadoran cortex with his initial attack. Jacks are much harder to heal than beast. And so it probably can't even buy a power attack in the first place.