Strakhov with Conquest

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Strakhov with Conquest Apr 8, 2017 8:30:35 GMT via mobile

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Post by 3xhume on Apr 8, 2017 8:30:35 GMT

So i have tried conquest with Strakhov in winterguard kommand theme list.

Khador - Strakhov - conquest

Kommander Oleg Strakhov - WJ: +28
- Conquest - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 28)
- Spriggan - PC: 19
- Juggernaut - PC: 12

Widowmaker Marksman - PC: 4
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich - PC: 4

Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 3 Grunts: 3
Widowmaker Scouts - Leader & 3 Grunts: 8
Winter Guard Infantry - Leader & 9 Grunts: 10
- Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 0
- Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2
- Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2
- Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2

THEME: Winter Guard Kommand

Spriggan and Juggernaut gets advance move. Played only two games so far with the list. Once against legion lylith1, lost because i moved winterguard too far that led to assassinated. I was winning in attrition though.

Second against merc Bart1 with galleon, won assassination with Spriggan. Overcommit Conquest and lost him to Galleon in counter punch. Assassination was the only option while bart feated. Fortunately Spriggan can not be knocked down. Overrun and charged Bart with 3 focus.

I like the list. Strakhov's risky control range feat neutered with sacificial pawn winter guard. My thoughts on strakhov with conquest: i can not see why behemoth can not be better than conquest for strakhov, but in theme list where behemoth is not available, conquest is the best option and the sacrificial pawn benefit is too good not to be taken by Strakhov.

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Strakhov with Conquest Apr 9, 2017 18:17:48 GMT

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Post by auraco on Apr 9, 2017 18:17:48 GMT

You'd get only one jack with advance move with that list, you only have one winterguard unit in the list.

And yeah conquest is the best alternative to behemoth in winterguard kommand, to run behemoth you either need to run out of tier or in jaw of the wolve, haven't had time to play it in jaw of the wolf yet, next thing on my to do list.

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Strakhov with Conquest Apr 11, 2017 17:07:23 GMT via mobile

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Post by 3xhume on Apr 11, 2017 17:07:23 GMT

Apr 9, 2017 18:17:48 GMT auraco said:

You'd get only one jack with advance move with that list, you only have one winterguard unit in the list.

And yeah conquest is the best alternative to behemoth in winterguard kommand, to run behemoth you either need to run out of tier or in jaw of the wolve, haven't had time to play it in jaw of the wolf yet, next thing on my to do list.

Yes, thank you for pointing it out. I was thinking it could be wg model or unit so joe also give adv move.

Anyway i played it correctly in the game with the same list three hours ago. It was against menoth's harbie with lots and lots of knights. Won by assassinating harbie. I was winning in attrition too. At the end of the game, harbie has 1 vizgoth guard, 1 paladin, the book, carvolo, the healer attachment solo. Good game.

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Strakhov with Conquest Apr 12, 2017 11:23:59 GMT

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Post by smoothcriminal on Apr 12, 2017 11:23:59 GMT

Tried Strakhov in Jaws with Behemoth. Lost to Calandra Dhunia theme, double bombers shot 1 heavy per turn while I couldn't get a good assassination angle or Overrun trigger with Behemoth to fight back, ended up on a failed assassination Grolar shooting 4 shots in Calandra's back.
List is something like:
Strakhov
-Behemoth
-Grolar
-2x Juggie
-Marauder
-Berserker
2x Manhunter + Yuri
Snipers+Marksman
Mechaniks

What I want to note is:
- second Grolar should be there. Having only one allows to be safe from it. Two Grolars will cover the whole table.
- double elims should be there. More assassination pressure with feat.
- Behemoth really dissapointed as Overrun enabler, guns aren't good enough, survivability isn't high enough for points and super hulk hands are irrelevant for Overrun. Conquest at least can take a beating. I'll try something else in it's place.
- Manhunters were interesting. Yuri allows them to sit safely behind forest and jump out on a feat turn. Very terrain-dependent though so I think Yuri isn't worth it yet unless SR 2017 introduces a mandatory forest on every table. Without Yuri they are decent objective contesters in a list that can't spare models to contest otherwise. It won't be an easy choice when Forge Seers release.
- all jacks sans Overrun enabler and double Grolar should just be Marauders. You're not winning through killing everything with damage, so additional setup for scoring or assassination from their combo slam is welcomed.
- Berserker was an idea to have berserk+superiority+overrun against infantry lists since Legion of steel theme impressed me a lot and I think we'll see more of such themes in future. But since I'll be taking elims anyway elims+sniper boat is good enough against that.

Last Edit: Apr 12, 2017 11:27:53 GMT by smoothcriminal